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GitHub, fuck your name change

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Though I initially sympathized with the name change from master to main (cause I don't care what it is called), I am now more of the opinion that this kind of window-dressing might actually be harmful as it distracts from addressing the root cause. It is a bit complicated as the name change in itself is not bad, but given the context, and that it distracts from addressing real issues it actually is. Same thing with p…

Off-topic, but I really enjoy products whose packaging I can dispose of well because it's all paper and/or metal. I buy Celestial Seasonings tea because there's no foil, and I can compost the tea bags. But there are still plenty of products that I only find in plastic, like frozen fish. I mainly shop at Wal-Mart because I'm poor. Does anyone have any tips for someone on a low budget?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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As a white person, the difference this change will make to my life is so negligible that if it makes one PoC feel more included then it's fine by me. I totally take on board the point that a lot of man hours have been consumed debating how and when to execute this change. Possibly to the exclusion of doing something potentially more meaningful. However, the glee with which the authors opinion is accepted as the opini…

You're fine with the change because of one hypothetical PoC you imagine who likes it, but you resent that others are not fine with the change and feel supported by one real PoC who dislikes it.

Not you are presenting a false dichotomy. I'm not speaking for or against this change. I'm speaking against the people who are butt hurt by this change because it's not even master as in slave but master as in boot record, using this one data point to justify their position.

It's the same as those people who find the one doctor or nurse who thinks that covid-19 is just a flu or that one engineer who concludes that the twin towers couldn't possibly have fallen because of fire alone.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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post #237

> “Meritocracy!”, I hear you cry. “They pick from the most talented students. The ones that worked the hardest to get into the most elite schools. The black students should have just worked harder” Crazy idea: if companies that do virtue signaling on inclusivity were paying their taxes, decent schools could be funded and we would not have so many of those issues. But instead, those companies are actively lobbying to…

Whilst I agree that they should pay their taxes, let's not get confused here: no matter how much the budget is increased, education will not be properly funded because it's not a political priority. Most countries with better education systems don't really invest _that much_ more than the USA, but it's the attitude towards education that counts.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

> signaling instead of meaningful action.

Oh this is a good short summary of the era

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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> Out of curiosity I asked my manager, who is like 20 yrs older than me, if he had ever been stopped and searched, he said not once in his life. I had a similar conversation when a black colleague was late for work, having been stopped and searched by the police in London. The other 10 (white) developers were all shocked, but he said it as casually as someone might report they'd missed the train, or had a puncture on…

As a black guy in London, I've not been stopped and searched in over a decade, so I do think that profiling tends to happen more the younger you are (and fit a particular profile).

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I think we've reached the peak of absurdity, when a linting utility adds an enabled by default inclusive language rule that breaks people's builds for daring to use racist terms like "MasterViewController" or "MasterCard". https://github.com/realm/SwiftLint/pull/3243

They seem to have whitel... sorry, "allowlisted" mastercard. I guess the m-word is somehow acceptable in that context?

https://github.com/realm/SwiftLint/blob/master/Source/SwiftL...

Hilariously enough, their repo still uses the master branch.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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> I just don’t appreciate the idea that we as software engineers can now sit back and believe we’ve made some kind of positive change, coz we haven’t. I might have missed the GitHub communication there, but thats not at all what I think when thinking about changing the default branch name for new repos to a name thats, in my perception, at least as good as the old one, maybe better. If there is window dressing involv…

'master' is better than 'main' because it successfully conveys the mental picture of the branch from which others are typically cloned. 'main' doesn't carry that connotation. You could of course have branches that evolve in parallel, even without common code if you want. But what people almost always do is have one primary branch from which exact copies are made, given other names, then continue to evolve either more…

This may be because english is not my first language, or just "wrong", but for me it does not convey the that information.

Good point, how language is perceived is very subjective and personal. I can see how people like the term "master" here more than "main" because it carries more information for them. Thanks!

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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EDIT: For comparison: * "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2 * this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20 Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s) ----- Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been b…

>Why is this post being penalized?

HN has an anti-flamewar mechanism that kicks in when posts get too active.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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is it company's fault that the some groups are underrepresented as their employees? Cant talk for all companies but in my experience females are underrepresented simply because we dont really get any female applicants.

If there is a racism/sexism within the sector it happens before the job application and I find it hard to blame companies for that. If anything I know some examples of people getting advantage during the hiring because of their race.

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