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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by lenkite »

meekmockmook wrote: post #76
greesil wrote: post #56

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Yeah but these threats were actually carried out. Not the first time for Parler either, as I recall.

I mean, I watched as people on Twitter and Facebook Live coordinated to torch one of my favorites neighborhoods in L.A. this summer. I saw looters tweet about breaking into a drug store in Sherman Oaks. You can't say it's just talk there. The damage to Melrose and DTLA had to have been in the tens of millions, if not more.

And the fellows that organise this and boast about it on Twitter will never, ever get banned.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by jf22 »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #378
walrus01 wrote: post #237

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> Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". Glenn Greenwald also chose to make the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story the hill on which he wished to die upon, related to his resignation from the Intercept, so whatever credibility he had remaining has long since departed. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenwald...

Yep. Turn on anyone who doesn't support the narrative. So sad to see someone who has been so principled for so long on all the modern topics we should care about get viciously character assasinated so readily by people without a moments hesitancy. I have had my disagreements with GG, particularly in his naive taking on of PO for the money, but this refusal to acknowledge both his dedication to truth (which often make…

It's not that he "didn't support the narrative".

He believed a story with little evidence and his journalistic integrity became questionable.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by CobsterLock »

mhh__ wrote: post #150
demygale wrote: post #64

Parler has a moderation policy and they don’t apply it. Content that promotes illegal activity is not protected free speech and is also prohibited by Parler’s policies. They selectively applied that moderation after they became popular with MAGA. Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host?

4chan is regularly censored and banned (not sure about hosting specifically, I only browse maybe once a month), and threads aren't available forever. It's a different kettle of fish to running a social network - you'd struggle to organise much of anything like this on 4chan.

Yet 4chan has succeeded in may organized tasks. They played capture the flag with Shia LaBeouf [1], fixed votes for NYTs person of the year [2], and made the OK hand signal into a White Power symbol [3]. Sure these aren't super involved, but it's a bit dismissive to say they aren't capable of organized efforts.

[1]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/d7eddj/4chan-does-first-good... [2]: https://techcrunch.com/2009/04/21/4chan-takes-over-the-time-... [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48293817

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by lenkite »

awb wrote: post #305
Majromax wrote: post #126

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Companies can follow their terms of service, but under some circumstances they must act in good faith. If Parler can show that Amazon deliberately applied its terms of service in an arbitrary or discriminatory manner, then arguably it could build a case for tortious interference in the business relationship between Parler and its advertisers.

This seems to be the only possible argument, that Parler is being unfairly singled out and that other platforms have hosted similarly violent content without repercussion. The free speech / censorship argument doesn't seem to fly. The Lin Wood post on Parler ( https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344 ) and dozens of other posts with screenshots on that thread are clearly targeted threats of politic…

Kathy Griffen reposted her "Trump head" photo again two days ago. So much for her "sincere apology". No bans for her. https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1348355262155878404

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Post by COGlory »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #406
COGlory wrote: post #227

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Either Greenwald is correct, or he isn't. His opinion on non-factual things should have no bearing on that.

One's opinion has a very profound bearing on how he interprets and report on facts.

Facts should be independently verifiable.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

uncledave wrote: post #352
Rebelgecko wrote: post #168

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It's weird how inconsistent they are about it Tweets from Ayatollah Khomeini talking about how Israel is a cancer[1] that needs to be violently eradicated[2] apparently don't run afoul of the "Glorification of Violence" policy. OTOH Trump's 2 tweets, which were tame in comparison, were bannable. [1]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 [2]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/126374233989129…

Don’t try defending it with whataboutism...

If the complaint in the lawsuit is that the policy on websites with unmoderated violent content isn't applied equally, is it really "whataboutism" to point out that the policy isn't applied equally?

Hypothetically, how would you be able to prove that point without providing examples?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by meekmockmook »

tedivm wrote: post #348
jakelazaroff wrote: post #225

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Glenn is either terrible at research or lying. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=2... Google “baked alaska parler”. It’s literally on the first page of results.

Glenn is hiding behind the "were arrested" phrasing, so despite the fact that baked alaska has a parler account and was literally livestreaming from the capital he doesn't count in Glenn's opinion as he hasn't been arrested yet. What Glenn is saying is technically true, but also complete garbage. It's meant to fool people who can't do the minimum levels of research. https://www.insider.com/washington-dc-protest-lives…

I hope Baked Alaska is arrested.

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Post by Rapzid »

meekmockmook wrote: post #233
101008 wrote: post #93

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By the other comments, it seems was true but Twtiter moderated it quickly. However, I remember when J.K. Rowling gave her opinion on transgender issues, RIP JK Rowling was trendin gtopic for hours, and she received a lot of hate and threats on Twitter. Not only that, a lot of people started replying to her tweets with dick pics, which was dangeours because she was in the middle of an activity with children (they coul…

I strongly disagree with Rowling's bizarre obsession but she faced months of death threats while Twitter looked the other way.

She was receiving death threats on Twitter and Twitter was not taking action against those users? Do you have any sources for that?

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Post by mhh__ »

CobsterLock wrote: post #413
mhh__ wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan is regularly censored and banned (not sure about hosting specifically, I only browse maybe once a month), and threads aren't available forever. It's a different kettle of fish to running a social network - you'd struggle to organise much of anything like this on 4chan.

Yet 4chan has succeeded in may organized tasks. They played capture the flag with Shia LaBeouf [1], fixed votes for NYTs person of the year [2], and made the OK hand signal into a White Power symbol [3]. Sure these aren't super involved, but it's a bit dismissive to say they aren't capable of organized efforts. [1]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/d7eddj/4chan-does-first-good... [2]: https://techcrunch.com/2009/04/21…

Organise anything like this.

The difference between the Capitol thing and the stuff 4chan gets up to is that the protests like this require a critical mass of not only people but belief - the former is possible on 4chan, but the latter needs some kind of consistent identity to rally around.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by lern_too_spel »

xkeysc0re wrote: post #183
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

When has he done great work in the past? His coverage of the Snowden documents was so bad that people who read his articles understood less about what was in the documents than people who didn't. For example, he still hasn't issued a correction for his PRISM reporting.
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