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Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by lanstin »

caconym_ wrote: post #321
RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the thing with these sweeping generalizations of "them" as being violent and damaging is - who gets to define what is violent and damaging? Glenn Greenwald, who I respect a lot and was instrumental in breaking the mass surveillance in US by intelligence agencies recently spoke about these very issue: " My insistence that we look at the other side of the ledger — the costs and dangers not only from such attacks bu…

I’m not talking about government suppression of speech. I’m talking about society itself rejecting a certain kind of speech, by the actions of private citizens and organizations, and generally having an awareness of the fact that two sides of an issue are not always equally right. We have to do our best. The fact that it’s a hard problem to solve without going too far doesn’t give us license to throw up our hands, ca…

Yeah shame and shun anyone that won’t take responsibility for their actions.

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Post by soupson »

o_p wrote: post #117

Imagine owning a phone that can only get content approved by Apple and can cancel you for any arbitrary reason. Its like buying a radio that can only listen to democrats approved stations, its ridiculous and yet the fanboys will defend their shitty practices no matter what

Apple doesn’t censor Safari.

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nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

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Post by e40 »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I saw a comment on twitter which went like this:

What do you expect when Fox News and many other right-wing outlets are just lying all the time? When lawyers for DJT go into court and admit there is no fraud and then go out to the steps of the courthouse and give a press conference saying there is fraud and it must stop.

Fox News, et al are talking about this non-stop since the election. Just think of all the people that have listened to this and believe it. What on earth do we expect them to do?

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Post by Proziam »

ravenstine wrote: post #159
hilyen wrote: post #109

People don’t seem to understand, censorship is a double edged sword. You never know who will be in charge years from now and will abuse those very same good intentioned laws & we end up a police state.

And being against draconian censorship doesn't mean being against all forms of content moderation.

It's the publisher vs platform debate.

Private communities can moderate. Public utilities (Social Media) should not, but currently do. Social Media companies call themselves platforms while acting like publishers. They do this while using engagement-driving algorithms that intentionally stir up dissent because [0]negativity increases engagement.

[0] https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/JAMR-05-...

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Post by Tokkemon »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Yeah, because both sides are equal in value and sanity. This is not about both sides. This is society taking control of itself again and deciding that this cancer on this society will not be allowed to grow further. Unfortunately it happened much later than it should have, so there will be collateral damage. But this hatred must be removed if society is to progress any further.

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Post by Tokkemon »

dcolkitt wrote: post #408
andy_ppp wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the problem is this; I’m not interested in what someone who is dumb enough to storm the Capitol building has to say. And they aren’t interested in having a debate on the facts either, so what are we going to discuss? I don’t get how we can come together and make this better...

Honest question: Who do you consider the smartest Trump supporter? Do you think you have anything to learn from them by engaging in a good faith discussion? My point being maybe you think 95% of MAGA-hats are off their rocker, and Trumpism taken as a whole is grossly misguided. I don't really disagree. But is it possible that there's some core nugget of wisdom to take away. Something, perhaps that your current worldv…

Most of the "smart" ones that support him do so out of political expediency or for grifting, not because they have good points to discuss.

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Post by r7r6yrhdhh »

mbesto wrote: post #373
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the population out of public debate They didn't exist in the public debate to begin with. Social media opened that up. We're realizing just how negatively impactful a village idiot with a megaphone the size of a city block can be.

This is total bs. I grew up in the 90s when tolerance was the word of the day and the exact logic was that the idiot with a microphone and a klan hood is only a problem if they're attacking people at which point the police handle them.

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Post by zests »

twiceaday wrote: post #344
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

This argument rests on swapping the meaning of 'them' from 'the loudest extremist Republicans' to 'the average Republican' half-way through.

Its the Motte and Bailey fallacy.
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