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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by damnyou »

solarkraft wrote: post #297
jeffparsons wrote: post #254

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For some reason I still strongly prefer the look and feel of Android over iOS, but at this point my next phone will be an iPhone. Why? Because Google recently stepped up its notification spam in their official apps. They're using a mechanism that's supposed to exist to notify me of things _I_ want/need to know about urgently instead to advertise products and services to me that I have no interest in. It's tedious to…

I like lots of things about Apple software, but feel a lot less respected than with Google's. While the price you pay with Google is annoyances through ads, the price you pay for Apple (besides the hardware being 3x as expensive as comparable Android hardware) is just not being able to do things . You can't side load apps without some people with years of experience putting all of their time and energy into breaking…

Just to add to what you said, in 2020 you still can't set a systemwide browser on iOS, something you've been able to do on every other platform since the mid 1990s.

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Post by wobbly_bush »

heedlessly3 wrote: post #405
scarface74 wrote: post #395

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I’m an iOS user but Apple will never be the dominant phone vendor. The average selling price of an Android phone is $248. The cheapest iPhone is $475. Apple doesn’t have the stomach to compete on price and the vast majority of consumers aren’t going to pay Apple prices. If people cared about privacy, the majority of them wouldn’t be on Facebook. They know that FB tracks them and advertises based on the data they coll…

iPhone's user interface is way more visually appealing. You can also get an iPhone 8 on ebay for $200. So you can get the best of both worlds of price & UI.

Perhaps in US, but in the majority of regions where low end Android phones are popular even used iPhones are way more expensive.

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Post by specialist »

gdxhyrd wrote: post #388
fluffything wrote: post #387

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> I love Slopes and its lone developer deserves all the praise, and yet a week ago I've received an unwarranted ad for the paid subscription disguised as a notification... Not cool. You just need to notify Apple that a particular App in the store violates their ToS. I've done this before, and in a matter of a few days, the App is removed from the store, and the other apps of that dev are scanned for ToS violations. T…

Apple should not have that kind of power, though. They have been wrong before. Instead, the scrutiny and investigations should be public so that the developer can defend themselves.

Theses marketplaces require transparency, accountability, right to appeal, adjudicators, and so forth.

In other words, the rule of law and a fair impartial court system.

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Post by BigJ1211 »

kuschku wrote: post #354
benbristow wrote: post #306

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Lightning cables are more popular than USB-C cables at this point. If I'm at a party or something usually someone has an iPhone cable, USB-C, not so much. To be honest with an iPhone there's not much reason to want to sideload anything. Sideloading on Android is dodgy enough with dodgy APKs. Who knows what they're doing in the background? At least with the App Store (and Play Store for that matter) being a walled gar…

> Lightning cables are more popular than USB-C cables at this point. If I'm at a party or something usually someone has an iPhone cable, USB-C, not so much. Of all the people in the local LGBT center, zero had a lightning cable available, one had a microUSB cable (with USB-C adapter), and everyone else (> 2 dozen) only had USB-C cables, when a person with iPhone asked if anyone had a charging cable. So maybe in the U…

I'm Dutch, I definitely see more iPhones in business settings. But generally it's a healthy mix of Android and iPhones when I'm at a party or somesuch.

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Post by scarface74 »

damnyou wrote: post #407
scarface74 wrote: post #404

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Almost anyone can afford an iPhone. All four major carriers and Apple offer no interest payment plans. Spread over 24 months, the difference between an iPhone and an Android phone is negligible. If having an iPhone is a symbol of “affluence”, half of the US is affluent. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t jibe with broader statistics. Edit: For complete transparency, I am seeing ranges from 42% - 50% market share in the…

Correct, the US is the richest country on earth. In the rest of the world Androids are more popular. I guarantee you that if most of your friends have iPhones, your friends' incomes are probably on the higher end, statistically. Don't those payment plans require good credit, anyway? A lot of my friends don't have that.

Not “good credit” just “not horrible credit”.

But, after you have been a customer for awhile for a carrier, they take your on time bill payments with them into account - at least with T-mobile.

https://www.t-mobile.com/customers/smartphone-equality-progr...

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Post by _bxg1 »

alex_young wrote: post #262
_bxg1 wrote: post #257

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Google Services commonly exempt themselves from those kinds of "privacy protections". Google's happy protecting your privacy from other companies, just as long as they continue to get special access.

I got one of those today for Waze. I set it to only collect when it's in use.

I'm not talking about Google's apps, I'm talking about Google Services. This is the system library that sits just above Android itself and is used as a dependency by most third-party Android apps these days. An app asks for your location? They aren't asking Android for it, they're asking Google for it. See more details here: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

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Post by jvzr »

fluffything wrote: post #387
jvzr wrote: post #288

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Just a heads up: Apple in their guidelines tell developers not to do that, and yet they do send some notifications advertising their products and/or services sometimes (recently for Apple TV+). They also do not police developers' notifications, so some developers abuse it. Just an example: I love Slopes and its lone developer deserves all the praise, and yet a week ago I've received an unwarranted ad for the paid sub…

> I love Slopes and its lone developer deserves all the praise, and yet a week ago I've received an unwarranted ad for the paid subscription disguised as a notification... Not cool. You just need to notify Apple that a particular App in the store violates their ToS. I've done this before, and in a matter of a few days, the App is removed from the store, and the other apps of that dev are scanned for ToS violations. T…

I do not wish that upon any developer, especially small indie shops. So I'd probably do as you suggest.

However, I would also very much like Apple to lead by example and stop spamming its paying customers (anyone that bought an iOS or Mac product) with marketing notifications...

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Post by ec109685 »

tomlockwood wrote: post #59

> A drop in advertiser spending is likely to occur from small or medium-sized advertisers, Kasamias believes, as they are clients "where cost efficiency is paramount and there is a physical footprint, as targeting the right user at the right time will become more difficult." Frankly, what a load of horse shit. The reason for the drop in spend isn't the lack of targeting potential. Ad companies talk about this, becaus…

How do they not have incentive?

If ad tech company X is more effective than Y at generating sales, eventually the money will shift away from Y.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

developer2 wrote: post #273
lern_too_spel wrote: post #237

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Or instead of using a hack that intermittently fails, you could use a platform that lets the app function correctly. The app can pester the user about if they want to keep the connection open only if the user specifically wants that. Termius works perfectly on Android without requesting my location.

Hint: if Apple allowed apps to run indefinitely in the background, it would be less than a month before almost every app "needs to run in the background", for user-unfriendly reasons. And battery life would drop to a couple of hours. This is why I'm an Apple user. Hate regarding Apple's policies like "use a platform that lets the app function correctly" (ie. drain battery running in background just to do more trackin…

> Hint: if Apple allowed apps to run indefinitely in the background, it would be less than a month before almost every app "needs to run in the background", for user-unfriendly reasons. And battery life would drop to a couple of hours.

This doesn't happen on Android. The reason it doesn't is that the app has to display a persistent notification if it wants to run with high priority in the background. This is why I'm an Android user. It lets the user do what they need to do and prevents apps from being abusive.

Every excuse for Apple's platforms failings that I have seen so far has a better solution on Android that the Apple apologist has not heard of.

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