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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by PeCaN »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #159
echelon wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not letting you side load is a feature. No. It's not. Stop, seriously. "Not letting you vote is a feature." "Not letting you complain is a feature." "Not letting you speak is a feature." "Not letting you have free will is a feature." "Not letting you use your body as you wish is a feature." This is how we lose our digital rights. Stop buying into this utter horse shit. We have the right to repair our devices, run w…

Perhaps not allowing side loading decreases the likelihood of malware and security exploits.

"don't install software because it could be bad"

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by KMnO4 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #131
surround wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s two things about iOS that bothers me, privacy wise: - Apple still makes money off of ads, creating a conflict of interest. By default, users have a unique tracking/advertising ID attached to their phone. - iOS is extremely restrictive, making certain privacy adjustments impossible.

> By default, users have a unique tracking/advertising ID attached to their phone. My understanding is that this tracking ID was a replacement for apps being able to obtain the devices serial number. The tracking ID is unique per developer (edit: not true, it is unique per device, so multiple devs can build a profile on you) and can be reset by the user at any time.

I don’t believe the IDFA is unique per developer (assuming I’m understanding you correctly).

I use analytics in my company’s app and I get my team to send me their IDFA by downloading a free app from the App Store. The IDFA in my analytics is the same IDFA in the 3rd party app.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by throwaway55554 »

Replace each occurrence of “location data” with, say, “cocain”.

> Despite the reduced amount of cocain available, the amount that is still available to use is more valuable, while the market for cocain continues to thrive.

I mean it’s disturbing.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by lotsofpulp »

PeCaN wrote: post #161
lotsofpulp wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not allowing side loading decreases the likelihood of malware and security exploits.

"don't install software because it could be bad"

My parents and grandparents couldn’t browse the internet without being afraid their computer would slow down or get infected before iOS came along.

Since getting iPads, they have been able to do whatever they want. That’s worth something.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by tomjakubowski »

RKearney wrote: post #156
otachack wrote: post #137

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Sure, but Google/Android has added fine grain GPS permissions in Android 10+ so we have the option to say "just track when using app" instead of "no" or "all the time". The problem, now, is rolling it out due to fragmentation.

iOS also has this feature so I’m not sure what your point is.

I think their point was that Android users are now similarly empowered to block "offline" tracking. ("offline" meaning "when the app isn't open"). Further, maybe it's that true if that feature were a true existential threat to Google, they wouldn't have implemented it in Android.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by egypturnash »

otachack wrote: post #137
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

Sure, but Google/Android has added fine grain GPS permissions in Android 10+ so we have the option to say "just track when using app" instead of "no" or "all the time". The problem, now, is rolling it out due to fragmentation.

So we'll start seeing that on a significant percentage of Android devices around, um... 2025, then? Man I do not miss the horrible support for updates in that ecosystem one bit.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-...

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by hamandcheese »

in3d wrote: post #153
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

And Google can show a screen after each search encouraging people to contact Apple if they want it removed. Will you switch to Bing? They can do the same thing. Other websites can also bother iPhone users worse than ads do or make visitors pay for access on iOS but not on Android. Apple does not run the Internet.

iOS has roughly 50% market share in the US. Most rational companies are unwilling to alienate half of their users (and the more lucrative half at that).

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by inferiorhuman »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #104
jzvxkxbxjx wrote: post #95

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“ If apple allowed easily sideloading apps I would consider moving over.” This was the reason I was an android guy until my wife told me to just get a phone that works. And you know what? Not letting you side load is a feature. When you see it like that, you care a lot less about your phone, and just appreciate that it works and that you can trust it as your more intimate possessions .

Without sideloading I can't use a 3rd party youtube app that has no ads, no tracking and allows downloads. I also can't use my pebble watch because the official app is unsupported and only community supported software exists. I also am restricted from some content that android users of the same app can view because apple prohibits adult content inside of apps. I see a phone as a tool to do what the user needs. Not th…

Without sideloading I can't use a 3rd party youtube app that has no ads

What now? Safari + an ad blocker work just fine.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

bigiain wrote: post #150
jzvxkxbxjx wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ If apple allowed easily sideloading apps I would consider moving over.” This was the reason I was an android guy until my wife told me to just get a phone that works. And you know what? Not letting you side load is a feature. When you see it like that, you care a lot less about your phone, and just appreciate that it works and that you can trust it as your more intimate possessions .

This is also true for me. It's a feature I appreciate a lot. There was a time when I actively enjoyed sysadminning and updating and securing all my personal computers. But many of "computers" are now closer to "appliances" and the last thing I want to spend time on weekends/evening these days is poking at the OS on my phone (or my book or my coffee machine or or or) I'm happy to have "let go" and chosen "I'll do thin…

You say that like a premium android phone doesn't "just work". There is nothing on android that forces you to customize things, it simply allows it.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by hamandcheese »

madeofpalk wrote: post #133
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without sideloading I can't use a 3rd party youtube app that has no ads, no tracking and allows downloads. I also can't use my pebble watch because the official app is unsupported and only community supported software exists. I also am restricted from some content that android users of the same app can view because apple prohibits adult content inside of apps. I see a phone as a tool to do what the user needs. Not th…

I know this is a privileged position, but I just solved that by paying your YouTube premium which gets rid of ads and allows me to download.

In other words, you solved it by not stealing.
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