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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by gpm »

_bxg1 wrote: post #374
random878 wrote: post #312

As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading... The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Tw…

Other than VPNs and Tor (which can be blocked), how would people circumvent the fact that the pipes are still owned by the same players? We can't physically lay out "another internet". Maybe there's potential in radio mesh networking, but the wires we have are the wires we get. As depressing as it feels right now, I think the only real option is to continue pushing in the democratic channels we have. Governments can…

Even if some trillionaire decided to lay out all the wires for a new internet it wouldn't matter with respect to things like this. It would still be subject to the same laws. The same applies to radio mesh networking.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mcv »

dingaling wrote: post #273
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

You miss the point. It doesn't just filter other people's work, everything has to pass through filters that do not exist and are impossible to create for anyone smaller than Google.

It will either be the end of any kind of user participation on the European internet, or everything that happens has to pass through Google's filter. Neither are good options for internet freedom.

Note that Google's Youtube filter already has a tendency to block people's own content when it resembles content of the big copyright holders. For example: someone playing a piece from Bach on the piano when Sony has also released a recording of that piece from Bach. Youtube will flag that, Sony is fine with that, and small content creators don't have the resources to fight it.

That situation will get a lot worse.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by merrywhether »

bad_user wrote: post #139
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To make my point a bit clearer: I am almost convinced now that "representative democracy" shouldn't count as a "democracy" just because the population can vote who they get ####ed by. It only works as long as the representatives see it as their duty to represent the will of the voters accurately, which I'm starting to believe is an antithesis to human behavior, and thus will never be the norm. I'm not saying that Eur…

Sorry, but the Brexit referendum is the perfect example of choices that should not be made directly by the population, because it lacks the competence to foresee the effects or even to distinguish fact from fiction. If you told UK citizens that the choice is in fact for a No Deal Brexit and what that will mean, they wouldn't have voted for Brexit. However the population was lied to about the economic benefits and vot…

I’m the case of Brexit, it’s possible that having more frequent engagement with direct democracy would have left the people feeling less ignored by government and less inclined to try to “stick it to them” as a method of voicing their general feeling of discontent. I think we see this around the world, where ossified representational democracies leave people feeling rather disenfranchised and thus taking whatever potshots they find available.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by gniv »

philpem wrote: post #314
dingaling wrote: post #273

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> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Is that illegal though (wrongly blocking a video)? If it isn’t, YT can just shrug it off.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by koonsolo »

cr1895 wrote: post #395
koonsolo wrote: post #369

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I have a platform where teenagers can easily create and share games. I'm currently based in Belgium, but with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. (I already checked I could create a Delaware inc) Europe tries to catch up to the Silicon Valley startup scene. But stuff like this makes it pretty clear that EU is too retarded.

>with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. Can you elaborate why that is?

Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown).

We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever.

Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload.

The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot of copyrighted material, so I'm already very careful with that not ending up on my platform.

With this new law, anyone can sue me if there might be some sprite on there that they created. If I was my (non-EU) competitor, I would anonymously upload some of my own content to sue the EU company. Basically I'm a sitting duck.

I'm currently working on my platform alone, so implementing a filter is impossible. Even with a big team it would be impossible, since slightly modified sprites are derived works and so also copyrighted.

But if I'm outside of the EU, I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway, and after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there).

If I get a competitor from the EU in the far future, I just do the upload & sue trick.

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Post by fs2 »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #350
montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

> A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. Isn't the European Parliament supposed to be this entity ? The real problem is that if you have a single entity, then that entity can easily be corrupted by those who have the means to (read: money). This problem is unsolvable because those who have or profit from this power are also the people who get t…

There is really no way for them to "spin" this into something positive for the people, because everyone can clearly see their ignorance and contempt for common people through legislation like this. It is fundamentally corrupt and should be abolished asap

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by gpm »

Gudahtt wrote: post #409
Funes- wrote: post #287

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>Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching these big corporations. Only "smaller companies and startups" whose main purpose is "enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity". That's what the document says; how it will actually be enforced is still a mystery, of course. P. S. I have pointed to th…

That description includes any for-profit services that involve user-generated content. That doesn't make me any less concerned. Also that link appears to be dead, so I'm not sure what comment you're referring to.

It's a link to a comment of theirs that is dead - not sure why it seems like a pretty good comment.

I've vouched for it, hopefully a few other people with enough karma to do so will and it will resurrect itself.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Gudahtt »

unicornporn wrote: post #377
makomk wrote: post #354

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Apparently, France happened to that: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/

So you're saying this is what passed? If it wasn't for the "Available to the public for less than 3 years", I wouldn't be as worried. --- Upload filters must be installed by everyone except those services which fit all three of the following extremely narrow criteria: * Available to the public for less than 3 years * Annual turnover below €10 million * Fewer than 5 million unique monthly visitors

Yes, this is what passed.

The "5 million unique monthly visitors" point is concerning too, because that term is not clearly defined.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mcv »

majewsky wrote: post #375
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295

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What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

> Why are [European politicians] so concerned with copyright protections? It's election year. Since the big publishers are all for the reform, any politicians opposing it must fear for bad press.

Big publishers aren't the only ones who can generate bad press. We need to make sure that nobody who voted for this gets re-elected.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by gpm »

kalleboo wrote: post #146
lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Even if there are people out there who deny climate change, geopolitics like this ought to convince everyone that distributed renewable energy is the way forward.

Doesn't distributed renewable energy just shift the power to the people building solar panels (or wind mills, or whatever)?
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