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Tesla Third Quarter 2018 Update [pdf]

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Re: Tesla Third Quarter 2018 Update [pdf]

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Post by dpkonofa »

AshleyGrant wrote: post #369
dpkonofa wrote: post #253

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It's almost there. A Supercharger can charge in about 20 minutes and the navigation in the car shows you food stops and amenities near the Supercharger and then sends you a push notification when the car is nearly completely charged. Considering that this experience is more rare than me being able to charge the car every night at home instead of having to stop at a gas station ever, I think the trade off is in Tesla'…

>A Supercharger can charge in about 20 minutes Let's be real here. I just did a 2500 mile road trip in my brand new Model 3. While it is true that 20-25 minutes will give me enough range to drive for 120-160 miles, 20 minutes does not give me a full charge. Charging my Model 3 from ~10% SOC to 80% SOC takes 40 minutes at a Supercharger. The car charges quite quickly from 0% to 50%, but slows down dramatically after t…

I don't think that's accurate either, though. I charged from 5% to the max daily limit (not the trip limit) in 25 minutes and it gave me approximately 264 miles. When I last charged to the full trip limit, I had 314 miles on the car and that took about 40 minutes.

So, even if I just charged every time to the daily limit, I'd still have about the same range as a gas car and I can't fill up my gas car at home on a regular basis. That benefit alone outweighs the cons of a slightly longer trip for me.

PS. Slow down. ;). If you're only getting 160 miles from the daily charge, you're driving pretty fast or using up power in some other way.

Re: Tesla Third Quarter 2018 Update [pdf]

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Post by QuantumGood »

agumonkey wrote: post #335
shaklee3 wrote: post #314

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That's not what the glass ceiling is...

ha ??

A glass ceiling is a metaphor used to represent an invisible barrier that keeps a given demographic (typically applied to minorities) from rising beyond a certain level in a hierarchy. The metaphor was first coined by feminists in reference to barriers in the careers of high-achieving women. –Wikipedia

Re: Tesla Third Quarter 2018 Update [pdf]

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Post by shaklee3 »

QuantumGood wrote: post #412
agumonkey wrote: post #335

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ha ??

A glass ceiling is a metaphor used to represent an invisible barrier that keeps a given demographic (typically applied to minorities) from rising beyond a certain level in a hierarchy. The metaphor was first coined by feminists in reference to barriers in the careers of high-achieving women. –Wikipedia

Exactly. Musk doesn't qualify.

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Post by Robotbeat »

Latteland wrote: post #404
Robotbeat wrote: post #376

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Tesla’s can use CHAdeMO with an adapter. In the States, there are still more Chademos than CCS, and most new DC Fast chargers have both CHAdeMO and CCS. CHAdeMO is the better standard for fast charging, IMHO, since it allows bidirectional charging.

I've never heard it was bidirectional use, are there any vehicles that support that? The main negative against chademo (besides the huge plug format) is that it's not Hugh enough power in practice.

Almost all leafs support bidirectional charging. I think some of the very earliest ones didn't.

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Post by azernik »

SEJeff wrote: post #153
rconti wrote: post #111

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That's a great question. Model 3 owners pay to use superchargers where S/X owners typically do not. That said, it's not prohibitively expensive (26c/kWh in CA where it cost me 16c/kWh to home charge, off-peak only, in tier 1 (tip: I'm not in tier 1!) Because it's not prohibitively expensive, Model 3 owners will use them fairly regularly, but not to replace home charging in a way an S/X owner might. For the most part.…

Wow is electricity seriously that expensive in CA? I pay 11c/kWh in Chicago and looove charging my 3.

Renewables aren't cheap (mostly because of the intermittency problem).

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Post by nikofeyn »

Faark wrote: post #371
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #333

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> i am aware of their "ratings", which i find hard to believe. Is this common among the anti-Tesla crowd? I think you're the first crash rating conspiracy theorist I've come across. If anything I'd assume that the organisations doing the testing would be deeply connected with traditional car manufacturers and that Tesla (as a newcomer) would actually be at a disadvantage. Perhaps you know something we don't?

Some of Tesla's statements regarding safety were apparently a bit exaggerated, in the way advertising often hides fine print to tell you they are the absolute best. Non the less does Tesla seem focused on safety and I also haven't come across credible reports finding them unsafe, as GP is implying.

i didn't imply they were unsafe. i said i felt they weren't as safe. for example, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rates the model s below the kia optima, which was landed their top safety rating. i simply call into question elon musk simply claiming they are the safest car ever and the fact that everyone seems to buy into that. there are a lot of stories and examples of hurried and amateur designs at tesla, including examples from teardowns of the vehicles. i simply have a hard time believing that "the best ever" safety emerges from such stressed processes at tesla.

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Post by zie »

Reason077 wrote: post #198
zie wrote: post #99

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They will just move the tax to the Tesla Superchargers and the other electric charging stations. Alternatively they could tax it at the DMV level, like they already do to some extent. i.e. instead of a $100 registration fee every year, it will be a $500 registration fee. I'm going to guess it will be a mix of both, but the govt(s) will be slow to do either, until they realize, too late, that they didn't meet their in…

Applying a tax at EV charge points wouldn't work well because most charging happens at home. It's difficult to distinguish electricity used to charge an EV from that used elsewhere in the home. I suspect most states/countries will eventually adopt a combination of higher annual registration fees and mileage-based road user charges.

Ah good point, make it based on usage.. your mileage counter says you went 100k miles this year, here is your 500k registration bill!

As for the charging @ home vs a supercharger(and the like) I agree with you, but the government is not known for always being wise or letting facts get in the way of something they want to do :) They understand a "Gas tax", so including EV chargers as part of the gas tax is easy to understand and easy to approve.

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Post by MrStonedOne »

mikeash wrote: post #291
MrStonedOne wrote: post #249

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As long as they try and control access to them with blacklisting and the like, this is not an advantage. As somebody who will be in the market for a EV in the coming months, I've already discounted Tesla as an option for this reason.

Most people don’t care. You buy a car and you charge it. Blacklisting only happens if you buy a car with a salvage title and repair it, which is not something done by the vast majority of people. I understand if this drives you away on principle, but you’re not representative.

>Blacklisting only happens...

Now. The fact they do it at all is cause for concern.

50 cents says there is some terms you have to agree to that gives them the ability to blacklist for any reason.

Why would anybody want to buy a car where the primary and sometimes only source of filling it up can blacklist your car world wide.

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