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Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by mbishop » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:26 PM UTC

codesternews wrote: post #310

oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

I think the most important reason of having bigger devices is performance vs battery. You can not extend a smartphone and give feature like OLED, Neural Engine etc without considering affect on the battery. They want bigger device to solve many those issues. If they release the iPhone SE update they can not compete with other iPhones in terms of feature and performance. Also it have huge involvement of iOS updates al…

Small point, but you are assuming the only direction a phone can grow is height and width. Thickness would also allow a larger battery.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by untog » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

em500 wrote: post #337

bunderbunder wrote: post #301

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Translation: "Discontinued, but 3rd-party retailers will keep selling their stock until it runs out."

So what's wrong with topbanana buying the SE for his kids right now?

For one, it won't be supported anywhere near as long as a device launched today. It would still be getting iOS updates during their entire high school career.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by qrbLPHiKpiux » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:32 PM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #358

oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

I went from a 5.2 inch phone to an SE myself, largely for size reasons. Those big phones are just too cumbersome, even if the screen is nice. I'm very disappointed they didn't use the edge-to-edge screen ability to reduce the physical size and keep the screen size the same. A 4.7 inch screen in an iPhone X design would be perfect for me. It would be barely bigger than the SE with a much bigger screen.

I also recently went to an SE from a 6S. The iPhone Xs costs $1349 for a 512 GB device!

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by curun1r » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:33 PM UTC

sixstringtheory wrote: post #374

uptown wrote: post #340

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I've been using the X and while it's a great device, the one thing I miss most is TouchID. Things like ApplePay are less convenient using FaceID, so I'm less likely to use it. The side-button double-click is awkward and unnatural feeling. Unlocking the device when it's flat on a desk or table now requires that I pick up the device instead of placing a finger on the sensor. Unlocking on the X seems slower than with th…

As an iOS developer who constantly needs to reunlock test devices, I simply cannot be required to face each one each time to use FaceID, that’s an ergonomic nightmare. It also reminds me of the Black Mirror episode where people live in those small rooms with walls and ceilings lined with TV displays, and it would pause ads while it detected they weren’t actively watching. (S1E2: Fifteen Million Merits, probably NSFW)…

> it would pause ads while it detected they weren’t actively watching

OT, but I absolutely hate the Page Visibility API for this reason. There are sites out there that will pause ads if you switch to another tab or bring up another window in front of your browser. It's stupidly annoying and, at a minimum, should require user permission much like geolocation or notifications.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:34 PM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #407

scarface74 wrote: post #258

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Apple wouldn't leave money on the table in an effort to save face. It came out in the Apple vs. Samsung lawsuits that they were caught flat footed. From a technical standpoint, they could have released larger phones before they did. What stopped them is that UIKit and iOS apps were not designed to handle multiple screen sizes or any screen except for the 4 inch iPhone and the 9.7" iPad until iOS 7 and support improve…

From a technical standpoint they could, but they didn't because their technology wasn't ready? So .. they couldn't?

Hardware - they could release bigger phones.

Software - they didn’t have the framework to allow for it.

It would have been like all of the Android phones that copied the notch before the OS was ready.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by megy » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:34 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #404

trixie_ wrote: post #398

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Are you sure Apple is selling more devices because of the new direction OR the mobile market is just larger than it was 7 years ago.

What new direction ? Apple is following the same path they have done since the original iPhone. They have always had models at different price points.

The new direction they are referring to is clearly the phone size increase.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by bhasi » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:38 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #101

It is interesting that Apple will now sell 7 distinct phone models. Throw in the different capacities and carriers and you have a few dozen different SKUs. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is a notable deviation from their early approach to the iPhone.

Sorry, what's an SKU?

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by svachalek » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:39 PM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #394

untog wrote: post #240

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There haven't really been many attempts at making small flagship-quality devices in years. Didn't the SE immediately sell out when it was released? I struggle to believe no similar market exists today, but Apple obviously has a easier and more profitable path maintaining the device collection they announced today. I just wish they didn't. I was thinking about replacing my SE with whatever was announced today, but ins…

Right, I get this feeling that there's a boardroom of execs out there saying "well, the Samsung Note sold a whole lot of devices, clearly the reason is because it's big!" Then the release a bunch of only-big iphones, which sell more than the previous generation of iphones, and they go "Aha! We're on to something here!" Like, there's a ton of reasons that sales of a new gen of iphone could be higher than previous, or…

Well, there's 4 generations of phones now that came in two sizes (6, 6S, 7, 8) so I would assume they've got a little more to go on than Samsung's quarterlies.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by megy » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:40 PM UTC

oxplot wrote: post #385

GFischer wrote: post #284

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UI performance in Androids is decent these days. Privacy, well... no. Even within the Android ecosystem, it's very sad that innovation is stymied. The only ones that even try are LG and they always fall flat. There's a long list of different Android phones I'd like to see: - Keyboard / Accessible phones. My mother in law has some disabilities that prevent her from using a touch-phone and she's using an Android phone…

On Android, you can assign volume buttons to be there shutter button. You can also open the camera at anytime even when locked, by double clicking part button.

I think every single phone in the last 10 years uses a volume button as a shutter.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by lucb1e » Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:42 PM UTC

ascii_only wrote: post #376

GFischer wrote: post #284

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UI performance in Androids is decent these days. Privacy, well... no. Even within the Android ecosystem, it's very sad that innovation is stymied. The only ones that even try are LG and they always fall flat. There's a long list of different Android phones I'd like to see: - Keyboard / Accessible phones. My mother in law has some disabilities that prevent her from using a touch-phone and she's using an Android phone…

-keyboard Blackberry key2 -small size Sony xz2 compact

My mom has one of those compact Sonys, it's laden with crapware that pop up notifications day and night and cannot be uninstalled. Her being her, she doesn't know what to do with it all.

I am going to take a good look at the phone again soon, but I honestly can't recommend Sony to anyone who isn't tech savvy and/or doesn't intend to root it (I guess I should have after all -- by now many hours went into configuring it, and since you can't back an Android phone up properly, I'd have to redo all of that).