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Post by trixie_ »

oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

During Steve Jobs

  Rationally sized phones
  No gimmicks
  Few model numbers
After Steve Jobs

  Phablet sized phones
  Gimmicks everywhere (Animoji, AR, etc..)
  Lots of confusing model numbers
Basically Apple has become like every other phone manufacturer. It goes to show how much a good leader at the top of a company matters. I will keep using a SE for the foreseeable future.

  Fits in my hand
  Cheap to self replace screen/battery
  Has a headphone jack

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Post by appleiigs »

trixie_ wrote: post #391
oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

During Steve Jobs Rationally sized phones No gimmicks Few model numbers After Steve Jobs Phablet sized phones Gimmicks everywhere (Animoji, AR, etc..) Lots of confusing model numbers Basically Apple has become like every other phone manufacturer. It goes to show how much a good leader at the top of a company matters. I will keep using a SE for the foreseeable future. Fits in my hand Cheap to self replace screen/batte…

During Steve: imac, power mac, macbook, macbook pro.

Now... WTF.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by QasimK »

newfocogi wrote: post #233

It was interesting to hear apple state that one of their goals for building products was to make them last longer in order to minimize waste. People often accuse hardware manufacturers, including apple, of intentional obsolescence. I am interested to see if they actually change anything about their process, software and hardware, to put any weight behind this claim, or if it is just marketing doublespeak.

I think the biggest thing they could do to make their products last longer is replaceable batteries. My iPhone 6S Plus was given a new life when I replaced its battery. I did this officially, but only because there was a massive discount (£100 -> £30). Newer iPhones battery replacements cost even more especially outside warranty.

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Post by komali2 »

untog wrote: post #240
21 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market has spoken loud and clear since 2010, when Androids bigger than iPhone became popular. iPhone dragged it's feet till 2013/2014 because they didn't want to appear conceding that they were wrong, but eventually they had to buckle.

There haven't really been many attempts at making small flagship-quality devices in years. Didn't the SE immediately sell out when it was released? I struggle to believe no similar market exists today, but Apple obviously has a easier and more profitable path maintaining the device collection they announced today. I just wish they didn't. I was thinking about replacing my SE with whatever was announced today, but ins…

Right, I get this feeling that there's a boardroom of execs out there saying "well, the Samsung Note sold a whole lot of devices, clearly the reason is because it's big!"

Then the release a bunch of only-big iphones, which sell more than the previous generation of iphones, and they go "Aha! We're on to something here!"

Like, there's a ton of reasons that sales of a new gen of iphone could be higher than previous, or that the note sold more than some other iphone model, etc, without having anything to do with physical size of the device.

I for one am absolutely desperate for a galaxy s1 sized device with a headphone jack, long battery life, and reasonable performance, regardless of thickness. I would probably pay 800 dollars for such a device. It's just me here and now but judging from other comments I've seen I bet I'm not alone.

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by flipgimble »

trixie_ wrote: post #391
oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

During Steve Jobs Rationally sized phones No gimmicks Few model numbers After Steve Jobs Phablet sized phones Gimmicks everywhere (Animoji, AR, etc..) Lots of confusing model numbers Basically Apple has become like every other phone manufacturer. It goes to show how much a good leader at the top of a company matters. I will keep using a SE for the foreseeable future. Fits in my hand Cheap to self replace screen/batte…

And yet despite your criticism they are selling more devices than during Steve Jobs by a large margin. My iphoneX is by far the most usable and comfortable form factor of a smart phone I’ve used in the past decade. I’m just glad Apple has far better ways to decide on their device strategy than internet hot takes to so reliably and predictably miss the boat.

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Post by jiveturkey »

oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

> seems like a bad idea.

Bad idea for whom, and why? Because of your personal preference for a smaller phone? Clearly, the market doesn't agree. Well TBH, I don't know the market numbers, but surely Apple doesn't cull their lineup of products that are selling well?

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Post by donarb »

newfocogi wrote: post #233

It was interesting to hear apple state that one of their goals for building products was to make them last longer in order to minimize waste. People often accuse hardware manufacturers, including apple, of intentional obsolescence. I am interested to see if they actually change anything about their process, software and hardware, to put any weight behind this claim, or if it is just marketing doublespeak.

Here's one example, Apple will still repair the iPhone 4 which started selling in 2010 and was discontinued in 2013.

https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service

Re: Apple Special Event [video]

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Post by trixie_ »

flipgimble wrote: post #395
trixie_ wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During Steve Jobs Rationally sized phones No gimmicks Few model numbers After Steve Jobs Phablet sized phones Gimmicks everywhere (Animoji, AR, etc..) Lots of confusing model numbers Basically Apple has become like every other phone manufacturer. It goes to show how much a good leader at the top of a company matters. I will keep using a SE for the foreseeable future. Fits in my hand Cheap to self replace screen/batte…

And yet despite your criticism they are selling more devices than during Steve Jobs by a large margin. My iphoneX is by far the most usable and comfortable form factor of a smart phone I’ve used in the past decade. I’m just glad Apple has far better ways to decide on their device strategy than internet hot takes to so reliably and predictably miss the boat.

Are you sure Apple is selling more devices because of the new direction OR the mobile market is just larger than it was 7 years ago.

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Post by torgian »

iPhone 5s was the perfect size for me (I guess that's the SE now). But I've been using the iPhone 6s for the past few years and like it. I don't see myself replacing it anytime soon since it works just fine the way it is.

The new phones are pretty damned expensive though. nearly a thousand bucks where I live for the 256gig version of the XR, and the iPhone Excess is a good 1600USD after taxes in my area.

Just too damn expensive.

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

aczerepinski wrote: post #271
oh_hello wrote: post #193

I'm amazed by the sizing. The SE appears to be gone. This means the smallest device you can buy is the 7/8. Many still find this to be too large. Considering Apple's history of selling older iPhone models at a lower price, it seems like two years from now the bottom of the line will be the Xs and Xr announced today. The smallest lower-end iPhone available at that time would be the Xs which is larger than the 6/6s/7/8…

I was really hoping for a sweet new SE replacement. I don’t want a big phone but I do need to upgrade my SE’s battery and move on from a 16gb drive. What are my options?

Bought a 32GB one myself to get out of that situation, along with the larger battery were the assurances that (second hand) it was probably a year newer than the 16gb (16 and 64 models were year one, 32 and 128 were year two).
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