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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by facetube »

rtx wrote: post #250
tiles wrote: post #236

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> This is the kind of rhetoric that pushed a ton of people on the fence towards Trump. I hate to pick on this quote (I appreciate and suggest people read the rest of your post) but I don't agree with this. A common rightist tactic is to suggest either 1) I was okay with X policy when Obama did something so I have no moral authority to judge it now, or 2) I'm just a liberal whiner, too young, or too weak to appreciate…

Calling out people for staying silent under Obama is not a tactic. It's just a way to highlight a person's motivation.

If they're individuals and you've done the research to support your claim of their individual non-criticism? Sure. If you're seeking to demonize a large group based upon the behavior of individuals with no material connection to others in the group you're criticizing – then it's not at all.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by facetube »

jakeogh wrote: post #364
facetube wrote: post #360

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You're penalizing an abstract political opinion based upon the actions of individuals that bear no special ambassadorship or ownership of that view. This is a step down the road to collective punishment. One could easily use this logic to invalidate opinions from the right – because a group sympathetic to those views invaded a federal wildlife refuge with firearms, or because a group sympathetic to the views proteste…

Yes. He made an example of the same extreme (non-representative but loud) faction you are are. We could talk about why they are funded and promoted on both sides.

Pretty sure we're in violent agreement here. The claim I took issue with was that the left is somehow an order of magnitude worse. I think it's a shared problem.

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

panarky wrote: post #109
srtjstjsj wrote: post #90

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If he disagrees with the President, why should he (and why should anyone want him to) stop speaking into the President's ear?

Collaborating with the administration legitimizes and normalizes their policies of hate. This does far more damage than any marginal benefit from "speaking into the president's ear". I'm sure it's good for Uber to be on Trump's team, but don't pretend you're "standing up for what's right".

> Collaborating with the administration legitimizes and normalizes their policies of hate.

So it's just like in the last 8 years, but now it's OK to publicly oppose it? I call that an improvement.

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Post by tehwebguy »

malkuth23 wrote: post #95
tehwebguy wrote: post #81

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FYI Capital One Quicksilver gets a free $15 credit after every 9 rides (it was 20% back last year, pretty great.) Also if you link SPG you'll get 1 Starpoint per $2 spent on Uber (2/$1 when staying at a SPG hotel).

Unfortunately when I ride for work I have to use my company Amex, so I get no benefits... Maybe my situation is weird so they have not bothered making a program for people like me. It works well for the airlines and hotels though because while I do not spend my money, I can decide WHERE I will spend it.

Bummer, the Starpoints are earned no matter the payment card but may not work if you are using the Uber for business thing where you charge it to the company's account rather than their card directly.

Something like 2k points will get you a night in a low category Sheraton, 20k will get you the W in Singapore.

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Post by dmos62 »

Chyzwar wrote: post #402
_xhok wrote: post #337

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If anything, I think people assign too much weight to "sending a message" or "taking a stance." Thiel backed both Trump and Lyft! Down with Lyft! Uber wouldn't go along with some strike! Disavow! YC works with a Trump supporter! Fire him! Apparently the latest outrage on Twitter is over Elon Musk's condemnation of Trump's order not being tough enough. They're mad at him for trying to convince Trump to modify his prop…

There is real risk when business mingle with politics. Both Musk and Uber should consider this before working with Trump. Thiel will be forever marked as Trump supporter and he saw it coming. As for your suggestion to work with bounds of reality it should apply to Trump. If he want to change immigration policy he can work with Congress to pass laws and regulations. His flashy actions are just for his silly supporters…

I'm experiencing dissonance. Business and politics are both social actions, but are some of us starting to conceive business as a space beyond social responsibility?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

WarmToaster wrote: post #201
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #184

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I prefer no nuking of anyone or anything. Move off saudi oil. We've been doing it for years, actually. The latest way to get away is electric cars.

Honestly, Islam was a disaster only surpassed by the Mongols and their sacking of Eurasia. Which helped the position of Europeans who got a rain check for a period of unthinkable slaughter. And then the European assholes killed off millions of their men for nothing other than setting the state for American hyperhegemony.

> Honestly, Islam was a disaster only surpassed by the Mongols and their sacking of Eurasia.

If you knew the history of Christianity, you'd pipe it down with the righteous indignation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_of_pagan...

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_pagans_in_the_l...

Some of those ante-literam talibans are now worshipped as saints.

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Post by Tritrin »

kelnos wrote: post #397
madeofpalk wrote: post #374

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> This is a fine example of a union strike harming people. IMHO every strike is about "harming people". That's the point. When the bus drivers in my city strike, they do it to cause mass inconvenience to get people to notice and get a message across.

In this case, my stance is they're harming the people they're intending to support/help.

I'm sort of baffled by your reasoning. You believe that they are "harming" the people by protesting with them?

I mean honestly, you think that one hour (not several hours as you posted) of protesting to show solidarity with the people being detained. One hour of looking the people you are trying to help in the eye and saying "We're with you! You are not alone." is somehow "harming" the people they're trying to help?

Maybe you feel that you can save the world behind a keyboard but most of us would, I think, disagree. You have to show support with actions, not just words.

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Post by SunTzu55 »

So as I see it, Uber had the following choices, which would have resulted in the following consequences:

If Uber had raised surge pricing, they would have been seen as exploitative.

If they had forbidden their drivers from heading to JFK, their drivers would have protested that Uber was restricting their right to make a living.

*If Uber didn't surge (which it didn't), it would have been seen as 'strike-breaking.'

What course of action would have led Uber to "win" this scenario?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

rubber_duck wrote: post #333
Iv wrote: post #317

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> This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home?? Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You expect every worker in the field to follow. This is not a strike to get better conditions within one company, this is a strike toward a governmental action.

>Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You mean how it doesn't work. Cartels eventually fall apart when there's no way of enforcing the rules (no way to force someone to strike) because the incentives to cheat (drive during strike) are high.

I suppose someone could've DDOSd Uber's API to force their hand instead of relying on Travis' navigation of the political waters and moral fortitude (hah!).

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Post by StevePerkins »

KirinDave wrote: post #87
xenadu02 wrote: post #67

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> funny thing is, Trump supporters are now deleting Lyft in favor of uber. Then it would appear there are far fewer Trump supporters than people who oppose Trump.

What matters is who lives in what swing state counties now. That's basically what the US voting system has been designed to measure. Quite surprising when you start to do the math.

What matters is TURNOUT. Always has.

Trump received almost the exact same number of popular votes as Romney in '12, and McCain in '08. The difference is that 10 million Obama voters stayed home for Hillary:

http://i.imgur.com/AT0kqVz.jpg

Whether due to disappointment that Bernie Sanders wasn't nominated, or belief that voting wasn't important since Trump wasn't projected to win, or "OMG Russian hacker!!" conspiracy theories, etc. The bottom line is that Democratic turnout has dropped 15% over the past couple of cycles.

Like the shore in low tide, "swing" locations shift and move out when this happens. I hear advice that future nominees should just ignore blue states and focus entirely on swing locations. That's exactly what the Clinton campaign did! It's a recipe for failure in the modern day. Because once again, turnout is what matters. The rising tide pushed back the "swing" coastline.

This new era of U.S. politics scares me... because I've grown accustomed to Democrats having the luxury of sounding reasonable and centrist, while the Republicans have been forced to pander to extremists in their base. But I think the old conventional wisdom of "run to the edge in the primaries and then pivot back to the center for the general" is breaking down.

In the new rules, candidates have to LIVE out on the edge in order to keep their bases energized and draw turnout. I think we're going to see extreme left candidates facing extreme right candidates (or whatever Trump is), with a goal of get-out-the-vote operations rather than winning over swing moderates. As a swing moderate myself, this sounds disastrous no matter who wins.

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