Anthropic also trained on all human knowledge, so I'm okay with others distilling their models.
Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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#402>The strike by Alibaba is described as a "distillation" effort, which Anthropic has said involves training a less capable model on the outputs of a stronger one. Claude used TB of content without permission to train their model and it was ok for them. Now someone else uses the output of a Claude model to train model and they cry foul.
It was not okay for them, they had to pay one billion dollars.
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#403Anthropic has no right to cry about this when they train their models on the entire internet, which is not their content to begin with.
If it's not obvious yet, this technology wants to be free and shared. Stop trying to protect your mote and do the right thing.
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#404How the hell does Anthropic continue to make such hypocritical complaints without deeply cringing?
It's becoming embarrassing to watch
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#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, for what it's worth, we have subsidized Anthropic by allowing them to train on copyrighted stuff. (I know it is still legal, and I support the legality, but the economics are what they are with people's content paying a big one time subsidized cost (to the level of at least 500B). So, the least Anthropic can do is pay it forward.
That's some "download a car", $100000 per infringement pricing logic. No one is paying anyone 500 billion dollars. I'm sure rights owners wanted that, and more too, but it's nonsense to call it a subsidy that they didn't get it.
If we as individuals were sued it surely would be at least an order of magnitude difference between what is required from us vs Anthropic or OpenAI. That’s even completely ignoring the marginal utility of money. It is absolutely a subsidy. It’s just less fair because that power, to pay pennies on the dollar, is only given to corporations.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
China aren't offering a cheaper solution. They are subsidizing an existing one (which is already subsidized) in order to gain foothold. The difference is that in the US subsidies come from VC, while OP implies subsidies come from the AI labs that buy the training data (which may as well also be VC backed, so just one extra hop). This isn't "the market working as intended", this is an exhaustion fight to the bottom wh…
A trillion dollar ipo jist occurred for a company whose main line of business is almost entirely subsidized by government contracts
Is buying launch services really a subsidy, or did I misunderstand?
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was not okay for them, they had to pay one billion dollars.
>It was not okay for them, they had to pay one billion dollars. Essentially peanuts compared to what they would have to pay to obtain the rights of everything they pirated.
No. It's actually way more than what they would have paid if they legally obtained those books. The 1.5 billion dollars amount to $3000 per book.
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#408Hypocrisy is a form of corruption.
Anthropic's IP was created by harvesting and "distilling" other people's IP. Copyrighted materials, and the commons... which they have essentially privatized.
The commercial goal is to avoid competition. One of the main worries for AI is "commoditization" which has come to mean "not a monopoly." To that end, it doesn't matter is the competitor is Chinese American or other.
Their motivation here is clearly protectionism. The argument they make to politicians is national security. The legal argument is IP-theft, violation of service agreements or whatnot.
This is all very dangerous. Commercial interests repackaged as national security can lead to armed conflict.
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#409AI companies stole the internet.
They should collaborate and come up with ways to give back to society rather than competing and complaing.
Thieves can't complaint about what they stole.
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#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AI companies seem to take the viewpoint that everything on the internet is free, except their stuff. It's okay to hammer some random website with AI crawlers, ignoring robots.txt, and causing bandwidth costs to skyrocket. But if you cost an AI provider money with your data acquisition practices, well, that's just clearly unacceptable.
> But if you cost an AI provider money with your data acquisition practices, well, that's just clearly unacceptable. It's the same question libertarian advocates cannot resolve: If one truly believes in personal sovereignty, how are shared resources paid for, such as roads, power grids, potable water, sewage services, fire departments, and police departments? It is also not a coincidence that leadership in many tech…
What do you mean by "libertarian advocates cannot resolve"? Like, they have no answers at all, or you aren't personally swayed by them? Because they definitely have answers to this question...