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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by edelbitter »

orbital-decay wrote: post #38
selcuka wrote: post #13

> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?

This is a very... US comment to make.

A German police officer was fatally shot in 2010 after failing to identify himself when his manipulation on the door had alerted the known-armed subject of a planned search. The shooter was (eventually) acquitted. Though the circumstances were rather unusual, the court noted that in that specific case, the inability to ascertain the nature & extent of the threat within available time made acting this way based on his assumptions excusable.

https://www.bundesgerichtshof.de/SharedDocs/Entscheidungen/D...

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by bawolff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398
bawolff wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically all of history. Terrorist is a term people use for people who use violence and intimidation to attempt to cause political change. Freedom fighter is a term used for people who use violence and intimidation to attempt to cause political change that you are sympathetic to. Both words have identical meanings, the only difference is if you happen to agree with the people commiting the violent acts or not.

> Both words have identical meanings Only online. The Viet Cong weren’t targeting civilians. They hit American soldiers . Targeting military and narrow political power are the hallmark of proper rebellions. Targeting civilians is how terrorism works. The closest analog to terrorism in warfare is actually strategic air campaigns. Dresden and the London Blitz are closer to terrorism than e.g. the uprising in Bangladesh…

Generally speaking, people do not use the word terrorism or freedom fighter to describe the actions of a state actor during open war.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by angry_octet »

megous wrote: post #333
angry_octet wrote: post #274

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A kilo of weed is clearly a dealer, and part of organised crime. The same people are deeply involved in forced sex work and people trafficking, extortion, illegal weapons, etc. There is a clear difference between end users and small time dealers and the distributors.

So prosecute them for those other things, no? Instead of helping criminals grow their business by banning non-harmful stuff and giving them monetary growth opprotunities.

Crime benefits from network effects even more than regular businesses, you have to attack them via every opportunity.

However you are putting words in my mouth, in a typical American style of prosecution-->banning. It is quite possible to legalise and regulate marijuana. American halfway legalisation creates an industry which funds OC and can't be prosecuted. Canadian legalisation creates a revenue source for the provincial governments while providing vertical integration and control, and the volume of illegal weed has plummeted.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by sensanaty »

klustregrif wrote: post #257
sensanaty wrote: post #157

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> She currently lives at a secret address due to security concerns. Oh so she cares about her own privacy? Curious then that she seems to be such an ardent advocate for Chat Control and for the erosion of encryption. Politicians are such a disgusting, hypocritical bunch of "people", more people should be "doxxing" these weasels. Maybe eventually we'll find one of them that has 2 braincells to put together to comprehe…

> Oh so she cares about her own privacy? She didn’t choose to make that move. PET (the equivalent of FBI) made the decision to protect her address. I’m sure she much prefer the time back when she was living at her own place and her address was freely available to the public without any issues. There is no hypocrisy here. As for releasing social security numbers of people, she’s against it no matter who’s doing the do…

> There is no hypocrisy here.

Pretty much every single politician calling for Chat Control wants to carve out protections for themselves to be excluded from it. This is quite literally as hypocritical as it can possibly get, they want the gov't to have the ability to spy on you and every single conversation you have, but they've carved out a nice little enclave for them and their corrupt donors that excludes them from this same scrutiny. 'Cause everyone knows the average Joe needs to have their private messages out in the open, and not the corrupt pedophile politicians.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by righthand »

egorfine wrote: post #303
righthand wrote: post #270

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Does he have any power to change anything? Or does he have only power to expose the abusers and corrupted? Only taking action because you can change corrupt ways doesn’t actually change anything because the average person has no power to do so. And the proper channels are gummed up to not change anything. What Lars does is possibly inform or change perspective of those unfamiliar with their nation/world-state.

> possibly inform I'm not sure about that. People on HN are generally well in the know, while laymen don't event understand the substance of the matter in question.

I imagine Lars reaches beyond HN to other uninformed circles. HN doesn't have users representing every social group out there in the world.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by selcuka »

orbital-decay wrote: post #38
selcuka wrote: post #13

> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?

This is a very... US comment to make.

I've never lived in the US. Spent the majority of my adult life in Europe, and the country I currently live in (Australia) has very strict gun laws.

That being said, if I were a police officer I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by protocolture »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #269
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #90

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We are overlooking even more things about perfectly legal alcohol.

I can count on one hand the number of times I drink alcohol every few years, and I agree. Let's fund detailed studies on the effects (good and bad) for everything. Whataboutism shouldn't be a reason to just let something that could have long-term negative consequences on the mind be blindly advertised as safe. My argument isn't about legality, moreso educating the public about consequences, we do this with cigarettes…

Its not a whataboutism, its the current line in the sand for comparison. If Alcohol does x and is legal with restrictions, then its only sensible for comparable products that do x to become legal with restrictions.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by Hikikomori »

stefanfisk wrote: post #375
l23k4 wrote: post #365

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> This is Denmark, not some Brasilian favela Yet they're dressed exactly like a hit squad in a Brazilian favela! >Especially when they want to preserve evidence which might be quickly destroyed if the suspect sees them coming. Somehow cops elsewhere manage this just fine in appropriate attire.

They're also dressed exactly like a group of random middle aged men. Naturally, getting raided is scary as fuck. And them being plain clothed certainly doesn't make it less so. But based on the part of the video which he chose to shared I don't see why one would suspect anyone other than the police. Had they been out to kill him it would have been easier to just go in blasting instead of yelling while using a batteri…

How is the first guy in dressed again?

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by selcuka »

stavros wrote: post #188
nxm wrote: post #153

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That’s not the real world. Criminals will always find a way to get guns no matter the amount of gun control you impose, so I’d rather have law abiding citizens be armed as well

"You can never ban all guns, so don't bother banning any guns. It makes no sense to reduce gun violence if you cannot eliminate it completely."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by selcuka »

tmtvl wrote: post #307
l23k4 wrote: post #133

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I'm fully European, would not wonder for a second before plunging a knife into an intruder if I happened to have one near me.

Really? 'Oh, someone I don't know! stab '? What if the person is plain-clothes law enforcement? Or a special needs person who somehow managed to wander into the wrong house? Or your sibling's new partner they want to introduce to you? Anyway, unless you actually have stabbed someone before you don't know whether you got what it takes until you're actually in a situation where you find out.

They broke down the door.
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