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freediddy wrote: post #287
rsingel wrote: post #276

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Actually blocking a road in SF can get you a felony conspiracy count with this DA, especially if they don't like your message San Francisco’s Case Against Pro-Palestinian Activists Who Blocked Bridge Heads to Jury | KQED https://share.google/4RstsRSYbqY2lEdhn

They blocked the Golden Gate Bridge which included ambulances, other emergency vehicles and thousands of people trying to get to work. I'm happy that the DA is throwing the book at them, I hope they bankrupt themselves trying to defend themselves and then spend a lot of time in jail.

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

scoofy wrote: post #399
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #385

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This is pretty close to how toll roads work tbh

I think toll roads is an interesting parallel. They are public works, often in states that simply can’t afford to build or maintain their own infrastructure. But the point remains. I’m not saying there is any wrong with the service, but I think it’s a worthwhile indicator of what life will be like as wealth inequality continues to accelerate.

they aren't public works.

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Post by donkers »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #272
donkers wrote: post #252

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How often do you think that happens to transit riders? Your concerns seem overblown. And by driving, your odds of getting hurt or dying in a car accident go way up. You’re trading one set of risks for another, not eliminating risk entirely.

This response is part of the problem. People feel uncomfortable about others who look really crazy/shady for public transit or in parks, and in response they're told, "have you considered that maybe you're just overthinking it?" Instead of fixing the problem, we blame those who have the audacity to notice.

Both things can be true. People can have exaggerated fears about the dangers of transit (especially compared to driving, which people seem to pretend is relatively risk-free), and the crazy / shady folks on transit can still be a problem and still need to be addressed.

I can only speak from my own experience riding transit in Seattle for 9 years. I've never had any issues. Sure, there are sketchy characters, but I've never been bothered, and never had anyone bother me. I definitely see news stories about bad shit happening on transit, but when you look at the number of people riding transit vs the amount of bad things that happen, and you look at the number of people driving and how many people die or get seriously injured in the city daily from car-related accidents, it's a no brainer. You don't see people dying on transit every day, but car-related fatalities are a daily occurrence.

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drnick1 wrote: post #347
TulliusCicero wrote: post #267

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Public transit in the US just mostly sucks. It tends to be sparse, slow, unreliable, and yeah sometimes there are crazies who make the environment feel dangerous. You send Americans over to visit Tokyo and they have zero problems taking the train. The problems isn't with individual Americans.

Americans don't want to live in dense neighborhoods, so public transit is not viable (the operating costs would be too high). Foreigners are often amazed by the quality of life in American suburbs relative to what they experience at home for this reason. Our homes, cars, stores, cafes, are a lot more spacious for example.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

drnick1 wrote: post #347
TulliusCicero wrote: post #267

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Public transit in the US just mostly sucks. It tends to be sparse, slow, unreliable, and yeah sometimes there are crazies who make the environment feel dangerous. You send Americans over to visit Tokyo and they have zero problems taking the train. The problems isn't with individual Americans.

Americans don't want to live in dense neighborhoods, so public transit is not viable (the operating costs would be too high). Foreigners are often amazed by the quality of life in American suburbs relative to what they experience at home for this reason. Our homes, cars, stores, cafes, are a lot more spacious for example.

Americans actually like decent, walkable neighborhoods. But there's no cultural momentum behind actually zoning for such; quite the opposite, really.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

xnx wrote: post #371
0xffff2 wrote: post #334

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Comprehensive, collision and 500k liability through USAA, $120/month. Deductibles are as high as they will allow, which is $1k IIRC. I was recently forced to consider a move to Utah. Thankfully I didn't end up moving, but a quote for the exact same coverage in SLC was just $40/month.

> through USAA, $120/month Good deal, but not available to most.

I shop around regularly. USAA isn't even remotely the cheapest option, and the handful of experiences I and family members have had suggest that they are just as shitty as any other insurance company when it comes to handling claims. I only stick with them because they are consistently within 20% of the cheapest option and I value having all of my banking and insurance handled in one place.

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Post by TylerE »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #402
scoofy wrote: post #399

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I think toll roads is an interesting parallel. They are public works, often in states that simply can’t afford to build or maintain their own infrastructure. But the point remains. I’m not saying there is any wrong with the service, but I think it’s a worthwhile indicator of what life will be like as wealth inequality continues to accelerate.

they aren't public works.

Depends. For most of my childhood all of I95 in Virginia was a toll road.

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Post by [deleted] »

rustystump wrote: post #274
nradov wrote: post #265

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The HN commentariat skews young and male so opinions seen here are often disconnected from average people in the real world. Many women feel unsafe riding on US public transit because other riders act out in antisocial ways. We can argue about whether this perception is rational based on crime statistics or whatever but you're not going to convince them to ride until the police and transit system operators start enfo…

Can confirm. My partner has had far too many bad encounters on bart. I had a female coworker say she saw a guy get murder with a hammer on bart. Obviously everyone’s experience is different but public transit had a bad rep for a reason and it had nothing to do with class/status and almost all to do with safety. Uber/lyft is getting a bad rep too due to safety.

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Post by [deleted] »

isatty wrote: post #186
jbmchuck wrote: post #129

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It seems to me a lot of people just really don't like to be associated with public transit or anything associated with anything remotely underclass. It's a class marker to be driven around in an autonomous 6000lbs tank rather than move your legs a bit.

San Francisco public transportation is neither reliable or safe enough for my family. The only thing that’s remotely decent is Caltrain, but that has the last mile problem.

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Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by TylerE »

laurencerowe wrote: post #388
nradov wrote: post #260

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Driving is actually not "very dangerous" if you're sober, not distracted, and driving a properly maintained modern car. Like most any activity the risk isn't zero but you can cut it down a lot. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-...

Driving is very safe at city speeds for those inside the big metal box. Less so for the pedestrians and cyclists on the outside.

I know this goes against the HN groupthink, but a lot of those accidents are not the car or the drivers fault. I live in a small college town. We have huge problems with students just walking right off the curb, especially when drunk.
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