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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by ethbr1 »

vohk wrote: post #356
Maxatar wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an incredibly silly comparison. It amounts to claiming that a Ford Pinto is just as good of a car as a Rolls-Royce by simply observing that both cars got a person from point A to point B. After all, once someone reaches their destination you can hardly tell what vehicle they actually used to get there, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between vehicles. What matters most in state of the art models i…

I think your analogy makes the opposite case better. A Rolls-Royce and a Pinto have the same real commute time because horsepower isn't the bottleneck, and they both get passengers from point to point. Sure the Pinto explodes a bit but much like the actuaries at Ford, you might well judge the cost of an occasional explosion to be a trade-off you can easily compensate for. I would argue the process these days has more…

> Claude Code's biggest advantage isn't Opus, rather it's the shared knowledge the community has been building and sharing around using it effectively.

This. Never underestimate the ability of a large number of power users to substantially improve the actual utility of a complex software product.

They always have more time (and sometimes more skill) than a product's developers.

Sometimes the quantity of monkeys matters more than the quality of the typewriters.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by doctorwho42 »

Hamuko wrote: post #48
rjh29 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy hearing devs on this site claim Claude is 10x better than all other AI solutions. I think it is fomo. Claude $LATEST_VERSION is perceived as the best and anything else is "missing out". New version comes out? Suddenly the old version is worthless, how on earth did anyone get work done with that? Same reason people buy the RTX 4090 and 5090 cards - overpriced but they must have the "best". Never mind the di…

Hey, at least the superior performance of a 4090 or a 5090 can be objectively measured.

But it's a matter of degrees better, not miles.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by NiloCK »

dboreham wrote: post #360
bluelightning2k wrote: post #258

This is an absolute joke. Anthropic capitalized upon a brief window of being more code-focused, which turned into enterprize contracts. Then on renewal rug-pulled those same enterprises - going from your seat includes all the usage a user would reasonably need, to being you pay for the seat + all tokens at API pricing. (Which they raised by how many times in a year? I don't know the actual number.) Revenue spikes lik…

Anthropic hasn't done anything customer hostile to me.

Notable and persistent and extraordinarily petty is their refusal to read AGENTS.md files, forcing the inclusion of their branding into the source of repos directly.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by brazukadev »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

That sounds like someone desperately trying ton convince people Pesi is better than Coke

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by PeterStuer »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

So you black boxed a few 'success' test, while the main diference between the two is the way they get to the result?

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by roxolotl »

echelon wrote: post #297
stymaar wrote: post #292

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> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

> driving humanity forward against its will. I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us. I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs. I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, ar…

There’s a difference between being a hater and acknowledging the reality of the technology and those building it. I want all of those things too. However I do not understand why LLMs will get them for us. Instead I see a few really powerful people looking to get more powerful. I see a powerful tool being presented as god in a box when. I see the most resources ever spent on a singular thing being spent in a way that’ll _best case_ be mostly obsolete in a few years.

I want real AI. I want cures for cancer. I want too want to live in a post scarcity world. We had most of the technologies to do that before this. However the companies and investors involved in the AI build out chose to sit on massive reserves instead of trying to directly solve those problems. There exist proposals which solve hunger, the energy transition, etc and together they wouldn’t amount for even half of what’s been spent.

That tells me those involved want nothing other than money and power.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by thefounder »

vunderba wrote: post #341
Aurornis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. > Couldn’t tell. Why would you expect them to be able to recognize the signature of a model from a pair of PRs? I don’t understand why you think this is a useful test for anything when we have numerous benchmarks that run 100s of tests on model…

Yup, OP is conflating so many things that the comparison has all the scientific rigor of the Pepsi Challenge. For a developer using an LLM on a daily basis, the experience is about much more than just the resultant code. There’s everything from: - how often you had to manually steer the model - how frequently you needed to course-correct - how much detail you had to provide up front - how was the interaction process…

the answer is : I usually let it do its thing with bypass permission and I run the max plan so nothing really matters except the "result". I think Claude is faster and has better UX integration with vscode but I wouldn't use it without GPT 5.5 XHigh as reviewer.Claude is just sloppy. Eventually I think it will not matter much in 1 -2 years. Most AI models will be good enough for most tasks so you may need the best of the best only if you do very complex stuff (i.e. optimizations etc)

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Post by kaydub »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

I've always interchangeably used the models.

I don't look at benchmarks.

It's a non-deterministic tool. A lot of the shit going on with LLMs just doesn't make sense to me. All the tooling around like MCPs, they're all just putting stuff into context. So to me the tools aren't really robust and they make little difference.

Lots of AI psychosis going on these days. And I say that as somebody that hasn't written a line of code since Sept 2025

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by fmbb »

Aurornis wrote: post #172
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. > Couldn’t tell. Why would you expect them to be able to recognize the signature of a model from a pair of PRs? I don’t understand why you think this is a useful test for anything when we have numerous benchmarks that run 100s of tests on model…

> Some times one will spin for a long time on certain problems where the other has no problem finding the appropriate parts of the codebase and getting an efficient solution.

Surely this is just to the random nature of these stochastic parrots?

Do you mean you have identified a class of problems Claude always stalls on and another class of problems Codex always stalls on? What identifies these different classes of problems you see? How would you say Claude is stronger than Codex and vice versa? Why?

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