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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by jodison »

rapind wrote: post #270
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

I think frontier models are bait now. I prefer a fast, less thoughtful model that adhere's to instructions. The code these latest models produce is often hot garbage and you still need to micro-manage. Fast with small chunks is better.

I’m curious what models you prefer given this criteria.

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Post by stymaar »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole.

There's only one Gabe.

> None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

mountainriver wrote: post #221
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

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> At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone and has done literal experiments on UBI

Where are you getting this? He goes out of his way to say how dangerous AI, and has implied before congress that only companies with special licenses should be able to develop it.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by the__alchemist »

malfist wrote: post #234
the__alchemist wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're using last week's model; Opus 4.7 is old news. Opus 6.9 is the new hotness; it is a better product manager than GPT, and has more X productivity. It replaced our junior dev team, and tells me my hair looks good.

Your research finding LLMs ineffective is invalid because you used 6.9. The current SOTA is 6.91 and it's leaps and bounds better that yesterday's 6.9

Fuck; you are right.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by amazingamazing »

Maxatar wrote: post #287
amazingamazing wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure why the past matters here. I am talking about now, it is a fast moving space. As for the test, of course the output matters. Take image models for example. Differences are clear as day. Should the fact that OpenAI existed before Anthropic did at all matter? No, imo. I would have used opus 4.8, but it only just came out- fast moving space

This is an incredibly silly comparison. It amounts to claiming that a Ford Pinto is just as good of a car as a Rolls-Royce by simply observing that both cars got a person from point A to point B. After all, once someone reaches their destination you can hardly tell what vehicle they actually used to get there, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between vehicles. What matters most in state of the art models i…

In my test the prompt was the same and all suggestions were auto accepted so indeed there was no difference other than model and harness. The amount of characters typed and interaction with the harnesses were exactly the same.

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Post by sealeck »

mountainriver wrote: post #259
cmiles8 wrote: post #176

Sam Altman appears to represent a significant liability for OpenAI’s success from this point forward. A big portion of the driver for Anthropic’s meteoric rise over the last six months appears to be folks recognizing “it’s that AI startup not run by Sam Altman.” Anthropic has amazing tech, but its biggest asset at the moment seems to be that “it’s not OpenAI.” Not saying that’s right or wrong, but it’s clearly a fact…

I don’t know that most people care at all or even know about this. ChatGPT still far and away has the largest consumer market and brand recognition. What Anthropic has done exceedingly well is work their way into corporations. I have personally seen massive uptake over the last 6 months of regular people in corporations using Claude cowork. They are all genuinely amazed by what it can do for them. OpenAI wants to be…

Allegedly OpenAI's contracting model is much more vicious than Anthropic's; at work (admittedly a little IP-protective) we have unlimited Claude, but no Codex subscription because OpenAI won't give us sufficient guarantees around data retention.

We are also concerned that it may not be possible to bind OpenAI using contract terms and/or the US legal system.

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Post by echelon »

stymaar wrote: post #292
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

> driving humanity forward against its will.

I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us.

I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs.

I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, armchair warriors, obsessed fans, and pickmes towing the same line.

I'm sick of engineers saying these models aren't a huge performance gain.

You haters and skeptics out there can keep doing you, but I'm going to keep using the technology. We'll see where the chips fall.

I was raised on optimism and dreams of the future. I want that. I don't want to die with the same incrementalism we've always had. I want orders of magnitude more.

This is our one moment of awareness in a cosmically infinite void. I want spectacular. I'm tired of the chicken attitudes when people should aspire to be eagles.

What we have is so boring. There's so much more if we reach for it. Holodecks, models that cure every molecular cause of cancer, doubled and tripled health spans, instant ability to understand every language, fast and cheap travel autonomous p2p travel, everyone on earth lifted out of poverty, a Michelin chef in your kitchen, ...

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Post by amazingamazing »

epistasis wrote: post #265
amazingamazing wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure why the past matters here. I am talking about now, it is a fast moving space. As for the test, of course the output matters. Take image models for example. Differences are clear as day. Should the fact that OpenAI existed before Anthropic did at all matter? No, imo. I would have used opus 4.8, but it only just came out- fast moving space

If I were to give one carpenter a set of fine hand tools, another a full workshop with power tools, and they both made a picnic table to the same spec, and at the end I wasn't able to tell which came from which, would you say I have come to a fair metric for which type of tooling to use for wood working?

If the effort was the same as was in my test, yes.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by ianberdin »

The real problem is this: no cheap model right now produces a genuinely beautiful, usable UI when it comes to website building. Not one.

And here’s the core tension. The models keep getting better. GPT 5.5 improved. But it also got more expensive. Opus 4.7 to 4.8 has become outrageously priced too, up 50%, and 4.6 was already brutally expensive to begin with. API pricing is a real pain.

What’s missing is any meaningful supply of affordable, democratically priced models you can actually embed into your own service. For me that’s playcode.io, whether it’s the website builder or the app builder. The moment we give users access to these models, the cost becomes a serious blocker. There’s no way around it.

The same dynamic explains Cursor. Why did they go build their own Composer 2.5 model? Because relying on third-party models is simply too expensive for users unless they’re carrying a Claude Code or Codex subscription. So Cursor had to roll their own. It’s a real mess, honestly.

And Chinese models don’t close the gap either. They’ve improved, the free-tier ones especially, which is great to see. But the limitations are significant:

• No multimodality. They don’t accept image input. • You can’t attach a screenshot, show a UI, or hand it a PDF. • They feel heavily stripped down overall. • They’re just not polished. Not even close.

Opus, by contrast, feels like a finished, deeply refined product. Everything else is still rough around the edges. And that’s exactly why Anthropic can charge what they charge: because they actually deliver. That’s the whole problem in a sentence.

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Post by xpct »

imdoxxingme wrote: post #138
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.

I've come to dislike most tech CEOs at this point, and the current AI batch isn't making it any better. They rarely hold consistent beliefs, but nowadays are positioned as thought leaders.

I wish there was some type of system in-place to hold people to their word, but I can't imagine how it would work.

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