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Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by JoshTriplett »

MisterTea wrote: post #393
autoexec wrote: post #370

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It would be nice if someone ran against Sheriff Nick Weems using this case in their ads and speeches as an example of why Weems is unfit for the job and a liability for tax payers, but if someone did they'd have to be prepared to move away if they lost the election because otherwise they risk being retaliated against by someone who has already proven that they don't care about people's rights. It'd be better for law…

> but if someone did they'd have to be prepared to move away if they lost the election because otherwise they risk being retaliated against by someone who has already proven that they don't care about people's rights. This is the big problem. A cop friend once told me that even he will not report abuse because he, and his family will be targeted by his fellow officers. They will do everything to make your life hell i…

> One example is your license plate ends up in a database that gets you pulled over frequently and other forms of passive harassment.

And then, if institutions are functioning as they should, you sue them in a higher court above their jurisdiction to make them stop.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by fellowniusmonk »

worik wrote: post #390
WillAdams wrote: post #249

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And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

Yes, it's a good idea to try it as an a/b test in a finite run of municipalities.

Otherwise we are just doing the same things and expecting different results.

Right now in many police abuse scenarios there is no system in place that is recognizable as a working ethical system, bringing policing into some ethical system, even if just financially self motivated is definitely an improvement over nothing.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by Terr_ »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #399
worik wrote: post #390

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Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

Alternatively: Make the insurance come out of the collective pensions of the police department.

The trick is to somehow ensure all the other officers (A) care about avoiding the cost while (B) are not motivated to collectively lie for one-another.

It's not hard to imagine: Officer X does something bad through incompetence, Officer Y tells the truth about it, and then all the other officers take revenge on Y for "being a snitch" and "screwing our pensions."

Once that pattern is in place, it continues even when Officer X is committing crimes, not just making mistakes.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by Someone1234 »

freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

We already have a system for this; it is used by doctors:

- Individual Officer liability insurance.

You scrap Qualified Immunity; and instead claims could be made against the specific Officer's insurance. This would be a nationwide insurance system, and their premiums would follow them as an individual from job to job/location to location.

If departments want to compensate Officers for liability they CAN, but ultimately it would come out of that department's payroll/budget unlike now where lawsuit settlements don't even hit the police department's balance sheets at all.

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Post by [deleted] »

dmix wrote: post #252
gruez wrote: post #218

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>Of the 90% many will accept their fault and receive a caution or warning Why do you need to arrest someone just to warn them?

In the UK the police can detain you for up to 24hrs without a judge and extend it to 36hrs in some cases. One case I read of a guy who got in trouble for a social media post, he was called into the station and they basically forced him to sign a paper otherwise he couldn't leave as they'd just keep interrogating him, where I'd imagine they threatened to get the courts involved unless he admitted he was wrong for doin…

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by breezybottom »

stonogo wrote: post #354
breezybottom wrote: post #352

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How do you "turn in" a sheriff? It's an elected position

You take it to the public, and the public recalls the sheriff.

The indictment was already public, it's national news. That's why we're talking about it. I don't see any recall election planned.

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Post by [deleted] »

bearjaws wrote: post #257
kadushka wrote: post #237

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How would this work? Where do the money for their pension fund come from? Would taking money from it result in them receiving smaller pensions?

Maybe it would make officers turn in the bad apples, since they insist "one bad apple" each time these issues arise.

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by ericmay »

tialaramex wrote: post #395
ericmay wrote: post #82

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> US lacks some sort of Federal "inspectorate of police" I don't think this is true, or at least it's not entirely true. Various states and law enforcement agencies have an office of the inspector general which at least should provide some oversight. We also have the courts and individual officers and agencies can be sued in the court of law which also provides a means of oversight. You seem to be suggesting that eve…

Piscis primum a capite foetet

Catchy, I suppose, but ultimately without much meaning.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

meta_gunslinger wrote: post #212
Hikikomori wrote: post #202

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Speak for yourself. I'd rather them be outside Europe as well, Scotland, Wales and Ireland can stay though.

You are making a normative claim (what you want). Not a nominal one (what is). Completely irrelevant, the UK cannot be outside of Europe geographically because of your feelings.

Not with that kind of attitude! We have machines that can consume the Hambach Forest, and explosives powerful enough to crack landmasses. Sure, we might have to temporarily evacuate the populace near the border, so that they survive, but I'm sure we can evict England from Europe if we really put our minds to it.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by etothet »

worik wrote: post #389
janalsncm wrote: post #377

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From what I could tell from the article, an officer submitted a warrant request to a judge and the judge approved it. That request was potentially incomplete because it left out the fact that the victim here didn’t actually make the meme. On the other hand I’m not sure whether omission matters since it would still be protected speech if he made it. So I would place a good amount of blame at the feet of the judge, who…

> Second problem I see is that this took 37 days to resolve "Justice delayed is justice denied " is an important principle that appears to have been forgotten in the west

Not just the west. Posted a couple weeks back here on HN: https://sundaicity.com/blogs/getting-arrested-in-japan

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48078647

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