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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by sebtron »

Frieren wrote: post #381
PradeetPatel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

> Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. > I work at a tech firm in India First I wondered how can you have such a low expectation on privacy, then you answered my question. What you need in India is more unionization and fight against corruption. It is becoming worse here in Europe but in India you do not have the protections that we h…

I am a European in Europe and I expect the same. Why would I assume otherwise? The company laptop is full of spyware, starting from the OS. I have no reason to consider it "mine", and no desire to do so. If I want to do anything private (including things that my company would not like) I can do so from my private devices.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by ForHackernews »

sebtron wrote: post #401
Frieren wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. > I work at a tech firm in India First I wondered how can you have such a low expectation on privacy, then you answered my question. What you need in India is more unionization and fight against corruption. It is becoming worse here in Europe but in India you do not have the protections that we h…

I am a European in Europe and I expect the same. Why would I assume otherwise? The company laptop is full of spyware, starting from the OS. I have no reason to consider it "mine", and no desire to do so. If I want to do anything private (including things that my company would not like) I can do so from my private devices.

I've never worked a software development job where I didn't have a company-provided machine that I installed Linux on. I installed the OS, I have root on the machine, I wiped it and returned it empty when I was leaving the job.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by eertami »

sebtron wrote: post #401
Frieren wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. > I work at a tech firm in India First I wondered how can you have such a low expectation on privacy, then you answered my question. What you need in India is more unionization and fight against corruption. It is becoming worse here in Europe but in India you do not have the protections that we h…

I am a European in Europe and I expect the same. Why would I assume otherwise? The company laptop is full of spyware, starting from the OS. I have no reason to consider it "mine", and no desire to do so. If I want to do anything private (including things that my company would not like) I can do so from my private devices.

Europe is a big place, but in my area of Europe it is very illegal to monitor employees this way. If you were to be fired for something that illegal surveillance turned up, I would consider it a good thing - with the settlement money you could take a couple years of vacation.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by sebtron »

ForHackernews wrote: post #402
sebtron wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a European in Europe and I expect the same. Why would I assume otherwise? The company laptop is full of spyware, starting from the OS. I have no reason to consider it "mine", and no desire to do so. If I want to do anything private (including things that my company would not like) I can do so from my private devices.

I've never worked a software development job where I didn't have a company-provided machine that I installed Linux on. I installed the OS, I have root on the machine, I wiped it and returned it empty when I was leaving the job.

Lucky you, I guess. In all the companies I worked for I have had a company-provided Windows laptop where the OS was managed by IT. The degree of freedom (e.g. what software could I install, what websites were blocksd) varied.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by shevy-java »

Meta is like Big Brother in the novel 1984 now.

If you then think of crazy companies such as Palantir, something really has to be done about those entities. As a first step I suggest disbanding those companies, for many reasons, including wrong ethics.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by eertami »

satvikpendem wrote: post #176
seanp2k2 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most companies just don't have a reason to look through the computer they're letting you use to do your job. Don't give them a reason. Maximizing shareholder value by observing you doing job in the pursuit of replacing you with a very small shell script is a great reason that they've just discovered. Get your own laptop, pay for your own cellphone, use your own internet service, etc. If you create anything of value o…

Exactly, no one is stopping one from using their personal devices for any personal purpose, and the fact that somehow people are defending wanting to do personal things on a work laptop is utterly baffling to me. Like another commenter said, I always grew up with the notion, legal and social, that a company laptop is absolutely not your property and companies can and will look through it. Use your own devices for you…

But the legal notion from where you grew up might not apply worldwide right? People aren't saying you are wrong, they are just saying things are different in other places.

Where I grew up you do have legal right and social expectation not to be under surveillance at work. You even have an expectation of privacy in public spaces - I know this is not the case in other countries, but I accept/know that and it would be senseless to imply this is expected everywhere.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by DanielHB »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #239
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

I already assume that on a work computer everything I'm doing could be monitored by work IT. At every job I've had, I've made a point of not using work hardware for anything I even remotely thought someone at the job might object to. Instead I use my own hardware for that kind of thing - I own a smartphone, I own multiple computers, this is not hard to do. When I worked at a startup that had some internal conflict be…

This actually came up with multiple companies I worked at in Sweden. Apparently the law here is quite strict that you _can_ use your computer for personal matters and that your employer is not allowed to spy on you on those matters.

So they can monitor your email and slack server-side, but not your client-side stuff that doesn't touch their servers. However if you use a VPN then they can also monitor your DNS requests and every website you visit. Any kind of client-side telemetry is limited to a few things, however those things can involve what applications you have installed (like spotify) for security reasons or USB sticks plugged in.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by mmkos »

wrs wrote: post #19

>data collected would not be used for performance assessments or any other purpose besides model training And you expect Meta employees , of all people, to believe this?

Yeah, it is complete bullshit. Even if they don't do it straight away, once they have the spyware in place, it's only a matter before they do. It is Meta after all.
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