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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by [deleted] »

solid_fuel wrote: post #251
yalogin wrote: post #232

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Consumers have always paid with data not money. That is just how we are groomed. In fact that is more valuable to companies as it turns out. Sora though doesn’t work that way, it costs the company a lot with no useful data for them. It was always a vehicle to raise the company’s image and nothing else. The only way it’s useful for them is to show the user count to investors in their next funding round. Served no othe…

"always" is doing a lot of work here. Just 20 years ago I think consumers largely paid with money, not personal data.

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by toraway »

AbanoubRodolf wrote: post #350
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by andoando »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #240
apsurd wrote: post #228

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agree it's becoming my new default search engine. But it is actively getting worse in a distasteful sense: Want to hear the one TRICK most people forget when doing X...?

Yes, every response ends with that. Why did they set it up that way?

To try and get continued usage. They no doubt A/B tested the shit out of this and saw it gets higher responses

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bpodgursky »

34ahgaf wrote: post #241
password54321 wrote: post #18

"OpenAI’s top executives are finalizing plans for a major strategy shift to refocus the company around coding and business users" - WSJ Coding is where the money is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46432791#46434072

It is the last narrative that some of Wall Street believes and has enough mediocre or senile coders to promote it. That narrative will implode like Sora later this year.

It's because programmers are willing to pay thousands of dollars a month for a product commensurate with the value to provides, aka AI coding.

Generating pointless AI videos for pocket change or ad revenue is a loser in comparison.

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Post by michaelchisari »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
rogerrogerr wrote: post #366

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I feel like taking in GenAI content, even if it makes me laugh, probably does something bad to my brain. It looks like real life, but the physics is just wrong in ways that range from obvious to very subtle. I don’t want to feed my brain videos of things that look photorealistic but do not depict reality, that just seems foolish somehow. Like, imagine if you watched a bunch of GenAI videos of cars sliding on ice from…

Do you feel the same about special effects in professionally produced media?

Not op but if I’m being honest, I don’t feel as if that’s the case until I see a film whose special effects are limited to mise en scene and matte paintings and then I always have this overwhelming feeling that we’re all missing out.

Films on film using in camera effects are still made on occasion but they’re art films for niche audiences.

But we’ll never get another Ben Hur. And that doesn’t sit well with me even if society can’t yet fully explain why.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by ori_b »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
rogerrogerr wrote: post #366

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I feel like taking in GenAI content, even if it makes me laugh, probably does something bad to my brain. It looks like real life, but the physics is just wrong in ways that range from obvious to very subtle. I don’t want to feed my brain videos of things that look photorealistic but do not depict reality, that just seems foolish somehow. Like, imagine if you watched a bunch of GenAI videos of cars sliding on ice from…

Do you feel the same about special effects in professionally produced media?

Yes, I think consuming too much media, and creating too little is bad for the brain.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Cider9986 »

ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

Sure the tech was cool, but people already hated youtube shorts when they were added. I think the "HN crowd" is probably the type to dislike short form content, so that might be where some of the dislike comes from.

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Post by blindriver »

Sora was good but Gemini is so, so much better. And Seedance is on another dimension. But to be honest I'm shocked that they gave up on AI video. I wonder what the cause of that was?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

iterateoften wrote: post #359
torginus wrote: post #358

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I'm kinda surprised about how hard GenAI fell on its face in the arts (including SD and other video generators). It seemed so promising, when SD came out and it turned out the model fit on people's GPUs. People started making LoRAs, hyperparameter tunes, mixing models, training models for representing characters, ComfyUI and Controlnet came out yada yada. Then it became synonymous with slop, lowest common denominator…

You’re most likely consuming a large quantity of genai art without even knowing it.

I never understood what people are trying to say with comments like that.

- You're making unsubstantiated claim

- personally targeting someone you don't even know

- in order to celebrate presumed success of a mass fraud?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sdenton4 »

Insimwytim wrote: post #394
dieselgate wrote: post #384

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Are there energy consumption differences between CGI and AI?

We also need to take into account, that CGI only consumes energy when the actual creation of particular video happens. "AI" consumes energy before user even started (during training). That is on top of comparison for each particular case.

Right idea, but the application is incorrect.

Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output, and represent the up front cost for the producer.

Both a movie and a language model can cost tens or hundreds of dollars to produce.

In both cases additional infrastructure is needed for efficient usage: movie theaters or streaming platforms for movies, and data centers with the GPUs for LLMs. This is also upfront (capex) costs.

At consumption time, the movie requires some additional resources, per viewing, whether it's a movie theater or streaming. Likewise, an llm consumes some resources at inference time. These are opex. In both cases, the marginal cost for inference/consumption is quite low.

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