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A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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When I first moved to Taiwan and was just getting a handle on Chinese, I asked a waiter "請給我一個筷子" - not yet being familiar with proper measure words. The waiter (who had a bit of a sense of humor) brought me exactly ONE chopstick. I laughed and repeated 請給我另一個筷子 ( Please give me another chopstick ) and he brought out another one. Of course later my friend told me that I should have used 雙 to indicate I wanted a "pair…

> Of course later my friend told me that I should have used 雙 to indicate I wanted a "pair" of chopsticks. That's hard to guess. There are three common measure words meaning "pair"; 副 is for "pairs" that are connected, like a "pair" of scissors in English, but 双 and 对 are basically identical in significance as far as I know. > The waiter (who had a bit of a sense of humor) brought me exactly ONE chopstick. Slightly u…

> That's hard to guess. There are three common measure words meaning "pair" [...]

> If you actually wanted one chopstick, you'd say 一只筷子.

Traditional Chinese script versions of Simplified 只 and 双 actually make this more apparent, where they would be 隻 and 雙, which are pictograms illustrating one and two birds in a hand, respectively.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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Let me check but I think it refers to a shared dish; at an izakaiya you often order a bunch of shared food plates and then serve yourself from them. It is definitely rude to use chopsticks that you just put in your mouth to go rooting around for something in those. You are supposed to take from the top and ideally turn them around using the back end. Some people frown on using the back ends however as it may have bee…

返し箸 Kaeshibashi (also known as 逆さ箸 sakasabashi) To turn the chopsticks around when serving food so that the tips of the chopsticks that have touched one’s mouth do not touch the food.

Yes, that is why I said that some people frown on it.

However, the people that I learned etiquette from taught me to turn the chopsticks around. They were not low class by any means, company owners from Kyoto region.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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I lived in Japan for nearly 6 years and found that concern for faux pas such as these for hashi (chopsticks) are way way overblown. I used at least one thousand disposable pairs of chopsticks in Japan and never had the desire to smooth them -- they are higher quality than Panda Express offerings. I knew about this "taboo" prior to arrival and it was simply irrelevant. Avoid the obvious symbolic references to makura g…

Passing food by placing it directly on someone else's plate or bowl is fine. The taboo is specifically about two people holding onto the same thing at the same tine with chopsticks, the way cremated bone fragments are placed into the urn at kotsuage . Other than that, I agree. It's kind of like trying to apply Emily Post's etiquette to TV dinners: many of these "rules" would be viewed as prissy by Japanese and some (…

Swirling wasabi into tsuyu (zarusoba broth) with chopsticks is an actual custom, it isn't a faux pas. Some of these "rules" are simply wrong.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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Yes. For the record, Americans also don't wear their shoes indoors, except for maybe some people in extremely dry climates.

Plenty of Americans wear their shoes indoors.

Sure, and plenty of Britons live in Gibraltar.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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I ate at a very nice restaurant (think The Menu) in Kagaonsen last week and the main course was served with lacquered chopsticks but another course was served with disposable chopsticks and the waiter actually broke them and rubbed them together for me. I think the social faux pas is making a show of doing it.

You know you're at a fancy restaurant when the waiters have an entire dish emulating what the poors are eating. Reminds me of a restaurant I used to really like in NYC called 'Peasant' :-/

The dish was not emulating anything like that, it just required a second set of chopsticks.

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> You like your red wine cold as I do? Fun fact: "chambrer le vin" i.e getting (usually red) wine from storage temperature to "room temperature" comes from a time where said room temperature was well below 20 degC (more like 13-15 degC), not the comfortable 20+ degC that people like to enjoy these days.

Thanks for the reminder about our traditions. Now, I like to drink it straight from the fridge, i.e. about 6°C :)

Heh, whatever works.

A sommelier friend of mine says that the best way to taste wine is the one you enjoy; if you want to have a glass of chilled powerful Haut-Médoc with some delicate fish, have at it.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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Calling someone Sir or Madam also exists in English and is nothing special. You left out most of the interesting things. For example the vocative case is partially dissapearing. Someone from Finland can actually understand this topic, since Finnish has multiple cases - more than in Polish language (meanwhile English has one case and if we try very hard we can squeeze something similar to a case - so let's say it has…

> English has one case and if we try very hard we can squeeze something similar to a case - so let's say it has two This isn't a correct way to describe English grammar. You can either say it has no cases or four cases with no inflections (because it definitely has subjects, objects, indirect objects, and possessives). Presumably your native language doesn't inflect in the nominative or something like that and your E…

Who / Whom

+ Who/ Whose

Are two examples of something that could be considered possesive case. Although those are more words that describe possession than the possesive case.

Still good example of words changing.

Re: A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)

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> it was quite reassuring to find that - outside of the folks who really did hold chauvinist and/or racist views - most people in China cared no more about how I ate than how anyone else ate OK I agree completely. You will see atrocious manners in an average bar there. But my in-laws are brilliant scientists and thoughtful, gracious people. My mother in law is my hero. If I can reduce any friction in her life I will.…

You’re both making valid and sincere points. I think the confusion may be in a situation (regardless of culture) where one knows that a loved one’s family has a high regard for courtesy and manners, and you’re willing and eager to please them, sometimes this desire could be mistaken by others for an obsession or “reification” of the specific culture of the family. I have enjoyed the politeness of the comments from yo…

Thanks. Same to you! I treasure such exchanges.

Sorry for the tardy reply. Had a couple of surgeries.

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