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Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by richardfeynman »

tradertef wrote: post #400
richardfeynman wrote: post #399

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You're just linking me to lists from highly unreliable sources. I'm a simpleton, make a claim like this: "I think Israel bombed this hospital building on this date using this ordinance. Here's the evidence."

I do not know what to say. Just look at the pictures in the Wikipedia page. Israel left newborns to rot in hospital beds, shot many children in the head & chest. Everyone, including Israelis know this. Evil, evil people.

You are being bigoted (“evil, evil people”) and if you believe what you say you can just answer my question directly. You won’t because it hasn’t happened.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by gravisultra »

ajross wrote: post #395
gravisultra wrote: post #375

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How my tax dollars are spent is a domestic issue. As is not implicating me in war crimes. > They're not, you're just in a small minority The majority do not support this war, nor do they support Israel. Our politicians refusing to listen to the electorate is also a domestic issue. As are the many attempts that Israel has made to strip us of our fundamental rights.

For clarity, I'm not saying the minority position is "wrong". I'm saying that holding a minority position is not a priori evidence that Deep State Illuminati Elite Power Centers are conspiring against you. They're not. You're just weird.

I'm talking about the majority position, not minority.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by vkou »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #146
bagels wrote: post #139

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JD vance whined that we shouldn't protect middle east shipping lanes because he believes it helps Europe more than the US.

Don't make me defend JD vance. He said Europe should pay their fair share for protection since 40% of their trade passes through those lanes but only 3% of America's.

How much of the destabilization of North Africa and the Middle East is America's responsibility, and how much did Europe pay in absorbing refugees from it?

Should Germany be sending DC a bill?

If I recall correctly, America didn't even say 'Thank you'...

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by vkou »

khazhoux wrote: post #308
lejalv wrote: post #160

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Now turn your argument towards Saudi Arabia, or any of the human-rights violating countries that the US supports or has supported recently. Your opinion is respectable, but not compatible with any idea of “justice”.

The point being that eliminating a murderous tyrant is bad, because there are other murderous tyrants?

Killing a murderous tyrant, while maybe cathartic for a few minutes, when done in isolation, rarely results in better outcomes.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by tradertef »

richardfeynman wrote: post #401
tradertef wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not know what to say. Just look at the pictures in the Wikipedia page. Israel left newborns to rot in hospital beds, shot many children in the head & chest. Everyone, including Israelis know this. Evil, evil people.

You are being bigoted (“evil, evil people”) and if you believe what you say you can just answer my question directly. You won’t because it hasn’t happened.

No amount of proof will change your position, unfortunately.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by nradov »

Retric wrote: post #298
nradov wrote: post #247

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We don't have a surplus of carriers. We have a shortage , at least relative to their current tasking. They're overstretched and behind on maintenance. This is unsustainable so the civilian leadership will have to either cut back on missions or build more.

There’s always an argument for more equipment, but you need to start building them long before they enter service and need to set budgets long before any specific crisis. Funding for Nimitz was authorized in 1967 they started construction the next year and it was in service in 2025. The US has a very large and very expensive carrier fleet today because people decided it was worth having X boats a long time ago and th…

There is literally no surplus. There hasn't been a surplus for 15+ years when funding priorities shifted to sustain the GWOT. There haven't been enough carriers to meet requirements for the combatant commands during normal operations, let alone when something abnormal occurs. So they try to make do with other platforms but the cracks are really showing.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by Retric »

nradov wrote: post #406
Retric wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s always an argument for more equipment, but you need to start building them long before they enter service and need to set budgets long before any specific crisis. Funding for Nimitz was authorized in 1967 they started construction the next year and it was in service in 2025. The US has a very large and very expensive carrier fleet today because people decided it was worth having X boats a long time ago and th…

There is literally no surplus. There hasn't been a surplus for 15+ years when funding priorities shifted to sustain the GWOT. There haven't been enough carriers to meet requirements for the combatant commands during normal operations, let alone when something abnormal occurs. So they try to make do with other platforms but the cracks are really showing.

Your “requirements” aren’t actual requirements here.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by incognition »

richardfeynman wrote: post #392
an_guy wrote: post #391

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US and Israel killed more civilians in war last year than Iran in decades. So by that logic, US and Israeli terrorists must be terminated?

Well, just in the past two months, iran is thought to have killed more than 30,000 of its own citizens, while the whole civilian death toll in gaza is about 40k or less over more than two years (out of roughly 70k killed), so i'd say you just made that up.

Demographics: Approximately 70% of the 70k verified fatalities are women and children. International observers, including the OHCHR, have noted that children alone account for roughly 33-44% of the death toll.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by incognition »

cm2012 wrote: post #131

$2b is a rounding error in the USA budget

Analysts from the Penn Wharton Budget Model and other experts suggest the total drain on the U.S. economy could reach $210 billion due to supply chain disruptions and energy spikes if the conflict is not resolved within the month

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by incognition »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #43

How much money was set on fire for Ukraine? Where does that fall in relation on the righteousness rubric?

Analysts from the Penn Wharton Budget Model and other experts suggest the total drain on the U.S. economy could reach $210 billion due to supply chain disruptions and energy spikes if the conflict is not resolved within the month.

Ukraine has been $200bn over 2+ years

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