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Post by an_guy »

richardfeynman wrote: post #336
s1artibartfast wrote: post #328

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I think it is a hard problem to discuss clearly, but it not automatically a deal breaker. What about 175 children vs 30,000 protesters? What about 30,000 protesters a year in perpetuity?

Exactly, a real moral calculus needs to be made, not a hysterical "But the IRGC said 175 children died." And a real moral calculus involves weighing the value of the deaths caused by removing the IRGC against the deaths caused by the IRGC. My antagonist said I have no moral compass. Of course I care about the death of children. But that doesn't mean I swallow IRGC propaganda wholesale, as they apparently do. The IRGC…

US and Israel killed more civilians in war last year than Iran in decades. So by that logic, US and Israeli terrorists must be terminated?

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Post by richardfeynman »

an_guy wrote: post #391
richardfeynman wrote: post #336

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Exactly, a real moral calculus needs to be made, not a hysterical "But the IRGC said 175 children died." And a real moral calculus involves weighing the value of the deaths caused by removing the IRGC against the deaths caused by the IRGC. My antagonist said I have no moral compass. Of course I care about the death of children. But that doesn't mean I swallow IRGC propaganda wholesale, as they apparently do. The IRGC…

US and Israel killed more civilians in war last year than Iran in decades. So by that logic, US and Israeli terrorists must be terminated?

Well, just in the past two months, iran is thought to have killed more than 30,000 of its own citizens, while the whole civilian death toll in gaza is about 40k or less over more than two years (out of roughly 70k killed), so i'd say you just made that up.

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Post by tradertef »

richardfeynman wrote: post #390
tradertef wrote: post #388

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>> what's the claim, really? That western powers intentionally struck a school and killed these kids Israel or US or both struck a school and killed these kids. Nobody knows whether it was intentional or not. And this is not the first time Israel bombed schools or hospitals. Mental gymnastics done to skew facts is amazing.

nzrf wrote: "Do you really believe killing 175 children[0] will bring peace and prosperity to the Iranian people?" The implication is that someone thought that it would. I am saying nobody in the US or Israel thought bombing a children's school would bring peace to the iranian people. In fact, both the USAF and IAF deny they hit a school. There is no evidence the IRGC has put forward to support its claim. Without suc…

Always gaslighting.

Here is a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_health_facilities_d...

And here is a detailed report: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g...

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Post by ajross »

gravisultra wrote: post #375
ajross wrote: post #354

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Counterargument: squabbling about "blue team vs red team" is legitimate domestic politics about issues important to voters. You're just upset because what you think the "the whole game" is about is a rare area of general agreement[1] and you happen to be on the "other side". To wit: when you disagree with everyone, it looks like they're conspiring against you to control the masses, yada yada yada. They're not, you're…

How my tax dollars are spent is a domestic issue. As is not implicating me in war crimes. > They're not, you're just in a small minority The majority do not support this war, nor do they support Israel. Our politicians refusing to listen to the electorate is also a domestic issue. As are the many attempts that Israel has made to strip us of our fundamental rights.

For clarity, I'm not saying the minority position is "wrong". I'm saying that holding a minority position is not a priori evidence that Deep State Illuminati Elite Power Centers are conspiring against you. They're not. You're just weird.

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Post by antod »

mikepurvis wrote: post #174
bawolff wrote: post #52

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> But rather than protect global sea lanes, the US is bombing Iran. That’s not the same thing. Arguably the primary threat to modern sea lanes is Iran. Right now Iran is harrasing traffic. Previously the Houthis, generally considered an Iranian proxy, were harrasing traffic. Its all kind of the same war, this is just the end game.

The first gulf war was 1990. The US has been at war with various factions of the Middle East more or less continuously for thirty five years. The current president specifically campaigned on no new foreign wars and repeatedly tried to bully the Nobel committee into awarding him a peace prize before accepting a second hand one from another world leader and a sham one from FIFA of all things. What makes anyone think th…

As an aside, I remember before the 90s when the Iran/Iraq War was called "The Gulf War".

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaw12 wrote: post #87

This doesn't include generational damage in sentiment: * Europe is in trouble because they can't get gas from Russia, Qatar stopped supplying gas * Japan is in trouble because Middle East supplies its 75% of oil, which is blocked now * Ukraine is in dilemma, because US giving every support to Israel, but not to Ukraine * Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain is asking questions, if US can't defend us and is moving all defensiv…

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Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #146
bagels wrote: post #139

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JD vance whined that we shouldn't protect middle east shipping lanes because he believes it helps Europe more than the US.

Don't make me defend JD vance. He said Europe should pay their fair share for protection since 40% of their trade passes through those lanes but only 3% of America's.

Why focus on the consumer side, especially when so many of the current administration are brazenly in bed with the regimes that benefit from free oil flow in the region? (Kushner & MBS)

You’re not forced to repeat his rhetoric, maybe think critically about it.

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Post by richardfeynman »

tradertef wrote: post #393
richardfeynman wrote: post #390

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nzrf wrote: "Do you really believe killing 175 children[0] will bring peace and prosperity to the Iranian people?" The implication is that someone thought that it would. I am saying nobody in the US or Israel thought bombing a children's school would bring peace to the iranian people. In fact, both the USAF and IAF deny they hit a school. There is no evidence the IRGC has put forward to support its claim. Without suc…

Always gaslighting. Here is a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_health_facilities_d... And here is a detailed report: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g...

You're just linking me to lists from highly unreliable sources. I'm a simpleton, make a claim like this: "I think Israel bombed this hospital building on this date using this ordinance. Here's the evidence."

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Post by tradertef »

richardfeynman wrote: post #399
tradertef wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always gaslighting. Here is a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_health_facilities_d... And here is a detailed report: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g...

You're just linking me to lists from highly unreliable sources. I'm a simpleton, make a claim like this: "I think Israel bombed this hospital building on this date using this ordinance. Here's the evidence."

I do not know what to say. Just look at the pictures in the Wikipedia page.

Israel left newborns to rot in hospital beds, shot many children in the head & chest. Everyone, including Israelis know this. Evil, evil people.

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