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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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'AI generated' is irrelevant here, they wouldn't know and it's just a time saver in response to the 'people don't have enough time' excuse. That's a weird one though, if you have alternatives you could always switch.

Not sure where you live but in much of California, there are no alternatives for most utilities. Water, gas, electric often only have one singular provider in many regions.

Fair enough, although barring VPN use is quite a bit different from forcing an app that requires Play Services or iPhone. A VPN isn't as legitimate a need to pay a utility bill in the same way paying without an Android or iOS phone can be.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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'AI generated' is irrelevant here, they wouldn't know and it's just a time saver in response to the 'people don't have enough time' excuse. That's a weird one though, if you have alternatives you could always switch.

My only alternative is to not have natural gas

Fair enough, although barring VPN use is quite a bit different from forcing an app that requires Play Services or iPhone. A VPN isn't as legitimate a need to pay a utility bill in the same way paying without an Android or iOS phone can be.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #330

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I am not a project member so I cannot speak for GrapheneOS, but maybe I can help clear up some misunderstandings. > insistence on not supporting MicroG leads to poor UX, The problem they are trying to solve is apps not working without the presence of Google Mobile Services or Google Play. They don't want to compromise by having a component with high privileges integrated in their image that involves security issues l…

To put my answer in context, I was replying to this: > There's absolutely no reason to use /e/ when GrapheneOS exists. There absolutely is. If I was choosing again today I would be tempted to switch back, for the reasons I listed. And I would probably miss many things you cited, like Storage and Contact Scopes. As for MicroG, afaik I can't use it on GOS without considerable effort (recompiling OS) and probably also o…

>are by incompetent/lazy/pressured devs who just throw in some library and don't even care that it leaks data to Google

Even if I agreed with this statement, I don't understand why it is better to put limited/precious resources something the app developers can easily circumvent, praying they never stop being incompetent/lazy/pressured and tell device owners it is an important privacy feature? Instead of waiting for the apps to become actively hostile why not just feed them fake data in the first place? Like the scoped access permissions do?

If you really want to do this, you (and any GrapheneOS user) can do it today with mitmproxy and RethinkDNS but I think it is perfectly OK users choose their (privacy-invasive) apps and choose how to mitigate annoyances like that themselves. Otherwise they need to complain to the app developers and app stores.

>That's why I said that the main focus of GOS is security, not privacy. If they cared about privacy primarily, they would actively support microG and NetGuard, or at least similar solutions.

That feels more like you are framing your opinion as a fact. To me it is not so obvious.

When I think of privacy, I think of Privacy Enhancing Technologies (https://petsymposium.org/). I also think of things like:

* separate network namespaces for profiles (https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/5225#i...) and/or a GrapheneOS-Gateway equivalent to https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Gateway, * built-in OS support for chaining VPNs together or splitting different traffic over different privacy-enhanced networks like in RethinkDNS, * adversarial pressure wave + ultrasonic noise to thwart smart listening devices https://youtu.be/xMYm2d9bmEA?t=1305, * virtualisation as a sandboxing and anti-fingerprinting primitive (https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/5775-device-fingerprinting-...), * control over what apps can communicate with each other https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197 * location scopes/phone state scopes etc that are already planned.

etc.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #96

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A large part of "degoogling" to me means "stop giving google money" and "cut off Google entirely from my life". If I have to give Google a lot of money every 4-6 years to remain "de-googled" then I never was.

I don't think Google makes a lot of profit on Pixel phones. The real profit comes from their advertising business. Maybe the phones are even subsidized by the ad business.

Nobody was arguing about profit, that's just a matter of internal accounting. Is Google receiving revenue from Pixel phones?

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #244

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> that desktop Linux is still doing What are you even talking about? My non-technical relatives have been using Debian for many years already.

:) Regrettably, that's not the mass adoption we were all hoping for.

But it is a path to it.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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At the link, I see a lot of text about a company called Murena. Including: > Operated by Murena, your Murena Workspace account @murena.io is at the > centre of the ecosystem, allowing to store, back up and retrieve your > data safely on remote servers. That seems to suggest that we would be replacing one large overbearing corporation with a smaller and less-evil overbearing corporation. Is e/OS an open-source facade…

/e/OS and Murena are the same company. Initially, they used the name /e/ everywhere, but a single letter is not searchable on the web, so they rebranded to Murena. Everything is now called Murena except the OS itself.

from https://gael-duval.medium.com/murena-smartphones-and-cloud-w... :

> as we are reaching more and more people and progressively catching interested from a mainstream audience, we have to introduce a new, strong brand, easier to use, easier to refer to and easier to share with people.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #379

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I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android. Everything negative about the ecosystem is mostly Google Play and the legacy of every OEM forking Android for the better part of a decade. Sure, file pickers are inconsistent, filesystem is chaotic but it's performing quite well on most hardware, runs on phones, TVs, laptops, tablets and mini PCs and AOSP doesn't contain any hooks for Google to siphon off data. Graphe…

>I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android. How about the fact that you can't install applications without having a google account. Right from the get go, it isn't a serious OS.

I don't have a Google account. No idea what you're on about, tbh.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Not sure where you live but in much of California, there are no alternatives for most utilities. Water, gas, electric often only have one singular provider in many regions.

Fair enough, although barring VPN use is quite a bit different from forcing an app that requires Play Services or iPhone. A VPN isn't as legitimate a need to pay a utility bill in the same way paying without an Android or iOS phone can be.

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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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My only alternative is to not have natural gas

Fair enough, although barring VPN use is quite a bit different from forcing an app that requires Play Services or iPhone. A VPN isn't as legitimate a need to pay a utility bill in the same way paying without an Android or iOS phone can be.

I don’t see why not. It entirely depends on why someone needs a VPN. And I also shouldn’t need to justify it regardless.
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