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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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What ethnicity are you? I went through an airport -- and nobody else got screened except me. What was special about me? I was the only non-white person in the airport. Upon complaining, this was the response: > Random selection by our screening technology prevents terrorists from attempting to defeat the security system by learning how it operates. Leaving out any one group, such as senior citizens, persons with disa…

I used to have a Sikh manager who wore a turban. Whenever we traveled together, he would get "randomly" stopped. While they were patting him down, he would inevitably chuckle and say something like "So what are the odds of being 'randomly' selected 27 times in a row?" I don't know the specifics of the process for selection, but I can confidently say that the process is bigoted.

Same thing used to happen to me when I had dreadlocks. Made the same joke too. "what are the odds I'd get randomly selected 100% of the time I go through a checkpoint..."

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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RealID is unrelated to citizenship. It's a proof of an address, akin to soviet-style "propiska", which was very important and hard to get without (it also affected ownership/inheritance). What's more fun is that even though they accept different types of residence, they mostly trust utility bills -- but to set up utilities on your name even for your personal home utility company will ask a lot of documents, including…

Real ID/Drivers License being a proof of address is laughable. In my state (NY) they accept the following as proof of address for getting a new Real ID: - Bank statement - Pay stub - Utility bill - Any other state ID with the same last name, which I can claim is my parent or spouse. I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed. What they do NOT accept as proof…

> - Bank statement

> - Pay stub

> - Utility bill

It should be noted, and I don't understand why people aren't angry about this: Account numbers unredacted on the statements. The numbers are redacted the documentation gets rejected.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Real ID/Drivers License being a proof of address is laughable. In my state (NY) they accept the following as proof of address for getting a new Real ID: - Bank statement - Pay stub - Utility bill - Any other state ID with the same last name, which I can claim is my parent or spouse. I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed. What they do NOT accept as proof…

> What they do NOT accept as proof of address: > - My passport > How does that make any sense? It makes sense because, if you look closely, you will see that your passport does not indicate your address.

Doesn't matter, Passport is considered to be a real id.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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> Requiring ID won’t make us safer, but it enables surveillance and potential control of our movements.

Remember that you can opt out of TSA's facial recognition https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly

You can and should. Some TSA workers get pissy over it, which is weird. It's there to replace them. The trainers don't, its an option you have the right to.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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As a white guy who was caught accidentally carrying a large knife once through security, at the bottom of a carry-on backpack I'd had since high school, I don't think it's in any way essential to use racial or ethnic markers to figure out whether someone is taking something dangerous onto a plane. I didn't even know I was trying to bring a knife onto a plane at a regional airport. There's no reason to think that Sikh…

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Honestly, I would just give them a pass to carry a ceremonial knife, if they could prove they were Sikhs and not someone pretending to be. But I guess that's why we can't have nice things and why the same rules have to apply to everyone. I think most reasonable people understand that they can't preserve every aspect of their personal beliefs or pride in a situation involving the safety of millions of people flying daily. Carrying a weapon is certainly a bit unusual as a pillar of faith, but there are plenty of others that could also be deemed antipathetic to the well functioning order of a modern society trying to move people safely from A to B. And the same way I would consider trained and licensed gun owners to be a relatively low threat and a rule-abiding group of citizens, that's how I would view Sikhs with their blades (or even more so). So if you're Amish, take a horse. If it's Shabbat, wait til Sunday. If you're the TSA and you want to be more efficient by discriminating, look at people who have no discrenable ideology, or those whose ideology actively conflicts with your mission of preventing attacks.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Remember that you can opt out of TSA's facial recognition https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly

And exactly what good does that do? The government already has your face tied to your ID and knows you’re flying

Well good. They can stop pestering me for real id, preventing me from moving directly to the security line without having to show id, and stop trying to force me into giving up my face model everytime.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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And exactly what good does that do? The government already has your face tied to your ID and knows you’re flying

Does facial recognition work better with one photo or many?

Training requires a lot of photos and face models need to be more recent to be effective.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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You are entering government property so they have a right to search you. Just like if you enter a sporting event they have a right to search you. You are free to not use either service. Now we could argue that this isn’t a desirable way to do things but I don’t how it would violate the fourth amendment.

Read the fourth amendment since you clearly didn't the first time.

The Fourth Amendment only applies to places flying a flag with gold fringes

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

> So it was never about security at all then, was it? Never was. I flew every other week prior to covid and haven't once been through the scanners. For the first ~6 years, I opted out and got pat down over and over again. Then I realized I could even skip that. Now at the checkpoint, I stand at the metal detector. When they wave me to the scanner, I say "I can't raise my arms over my head." They wave me through the m…

I did this about a dozen times until I had too many TSA agents become extremely shitty and hostile towards me. The last two times they were making threats as I was walking away that they were going to "get me". I decided my protest opt out excuse wasn't worth dealing with attitude. They usually also made me stand there and wait sort of blocking everyone for 5-10 minutes until they even called someone over
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