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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by quesera »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #383
quesera wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corroborating. It goes way back to the early 90s IRC and MUD cultures, from which many of us sprung. Limor came to the scene a bit later, but the culture was well-established. Most of us would code shift when writing in other milieux, some weaned ourselves off the habit when our work started interfacing with nonreceptive readers, and a few retained the affectation to make a statement (or an anti-statement!). It's amu…

> early 90s IRC and MUD cultures It goes back before that. There were well known Usenet folks who adhered to the style. The 1970s-and-earlier Arpanet was before my time, but I'm sure it existed then too ;).

You know, I was trying to remember if anyone from Usenet did similarly, but I couldn't think of anyone.

I was a bit post-Great Renaming into well post-Eternal September. And we may have followed different groups.

The style arises spontaneously in isolated individuals and groups of course (at least since e. e. cummings!), but it was pervasive-to-universal on IRC and MUDs.

I do wonder how it trickled into there though. The most boring answer is probably the correct one. it was slightly easier to type and kids are naturally flexible.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Brian_K_White »

seanhunter wrote: post #166
MaKey wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall I think Code of Conducts are a net negative. Alleged violations of them seem to be used to lend credibility to actions that otherwise would be hard(er) to justify.

Overall I wish we lived in a world where they are not needed. But in every community, some people are assholes so they are often needed.

I would say incorrect. All that is true is that something is needed, but there is nothing about the problem that requires that particular poor framework for dealing with it.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by thunderfork »

refulgentis wrote: post #389
thunderfork wrote: post #388

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If part of the product is "being on the right side of Internet drama", that kinda makes me trust them even less. A perverse incentive to get involved in stupid slapfights, escalate, and lie about it...

A private email isn't internet drama: you commenting on a disagreement you are not involved in, on the internet, is internet drama. The person you are commenting on privately communicated, the public link you are reading is the other party.

I don't mean to be rude but given that I've seen several public statements about this "situation" from Paul dating back to Nov, I think you're commenting on a less complete dataset than I am.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by stickfigure »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #398
PurpleRamen wrote: post #114

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> "We wish Sparkfun the best of luck" This would mean admitting the allegations are 100% true and harming their business even more with the risk of losing it all in worst case. Now we can assume it's not as simple as SparkFun makes it. It's a dirty situation, but necessary, and justified if they are really a victim. > but the post you are responding to is clearly looking for a public fight. SparkFun started the war,…

> This would mean admitting the allegations are 100% true I don't see why this would be the case at all.

No bone in this fight, but in this day and age, when someone levels an accusation of unspecified "code of conduct violation", I automatically think "oh, geez another sex pest". And of course start reading because I can't resist tabloid gossip either.

Some amount of defense is appropriate just to clear the air. Maybe this has gone too far, but hey, we're all still reading. I don't even know what a Teensy is.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by jrflowers »

xyzzyxy wrote: post #394
jrflowers wrote: post #366

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I don’t know what’s going on here but it is super funny to link to [2] and only quote “hi jerks” > nick has been telling people about the grand old time you two had at limor’s expense, my expense, and others. he says you sat around making memes about us, registering domains, the whole thing. > you removed [limor’s] name on code. you scraped our site until it crashed and then emailed to get unblocked so your team coul…

Yes, the broader context of that email chain is a broad unloading of a 'greatest hits' of a decade of grievances against SparkFun (the meme site mentioned was made in 2017, by an employee who no longer works there). I quoted the lines that seemed to most obviously tip that particular email exchange beyond a measured harassment report (as originally implied), crossing the line into what could be reasonably considered…

Not to split hairs here but it doesn’t look like he said it was a measured harassment report. Having worked customer service and HR, it’s somewhat common for people reporting harassment to be irate or even downright rude, especially when they feel that they’re being ignored.

The idea that calling someone a jerk is grounds for a company to ignore a serious complaint is, paradoxically, what some people describe as their reason for being rude.

Anyway I don’t know what’s going on here but “Sparkfun has ceased its business relationship with Adafruit because a guy called us jerks in a complaint about our CEO” would be hilarious

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by coryrc »

horsawlarway wrote: post #281
mosura wrote: post #253

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Olimex are a better middle ground than sparkfun or adafruit for the things they cover. In truth people will spend a lot of money paying other people to shop on Aliexpress for them so they can maintain the illusion they are above all that.

Personally, I've had absolutely miserable experiences trying to get products on Aliexpress. I have at least 3 paid for orders that literally just never showed up (18650 charger, and two LFP 24v chargers). It's not a huge sum of money (~$45) but it's just... gone. Poof - into the ether. It's been more than 24 months. I also have had orders take 3+ months to actually arrive. Consistently. And some products that do show…

Just ask for a refund if it doesn't show up or is crap. Not hard.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by fenwick67 »

torginus wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #45

I don’t know what’s going on, but I checked what Teensy is up to these days and it seems that last March they decided to outsource manufacturing and direct sales to SparkFun: https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/sparkfun-to-manufac...

Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

Adafruit in particular is very good at providing step by step tutorials on how to use their products, most of them that are nontrivial have a little example project to go with them.

It's also been a good one-stop shop, if you want a little character display to go with your esp32 project they will have one, along with addressable LEDs, battery circuitry, etc.

It's a bummer both sites are melting down

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by kazinator »

ptorrone wrote: post #21

hi, phil here — post on adafruit here: https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teens... i’ll stop back and answer anything (sparkfun will not?). sparkfun is the exclusive maker and distributor of the closed-source teensy and informed us we will not be able to purchase the teensy. this happened after i sent an email reporting the founder, nate, for multiple harassing actions directed at limor, including…

> We are now working on an open-source, Teensy-compatible board.

Yeah, right; the PCB art work looks in rather an advanced state of completion that has been in the works for a while due to the proverbial writing being on the wall.

More like, we have now given a brighter green light to our ongoing in-house project to eliminate the supply risk coming from Sparkfun, now that the shit has hit the fan ...

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Moto7451 »

abracadaniel wrote: post #373
Alupis wrote: post #363

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My take away from this link is not what Adafruit probably wants. > we told sparkfun they needed to get their house in order > that was the big issue i wanted them to get some hr training on, or _something_ You don't tell or demand another company do something with their own employees. There's more professional ways of dealing with a situation like this. Request a meeting. Send a calm, collected, professional email to…

They seem to have reported it in private and were then banned and publicly accused of Code of Conduct violations in retaliation. Going public with everything would seem to be the reasonable response.

Sure, but they did so by going to the Teensy forum, which is not a SparkFun site, and really made a stink. If going public is reasonable, they did it in the least reasonable way.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Dylan16807 »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #11
sorcix wrote: post #5

The URL for this page is very generic and bound to become a 404 page. Thinking about URLs is important to prevent link rot.

Almost like it's by design.

Is "by design" supposed to imply a negative scheming aspect, or am I reading too much into your comment? This page won't really be relevant to anything after a couple months, so if the link breaks I don't think there's a big problem.
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