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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

quotz wrote: post #397
_djo_ wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no such promise. Everyone who was actually in the room during those talks, including Premier Gorbachev, has denied it. Nor was Ukraine anywhere close to joining NATO. It’s application had effectively been frozen in 2008, and it was not even being offered a MAP which is about step 1 on a 20 step ladder of actions to take before joining. It’s a red herring being used to justify Russia’s territorial and imperi…

The assurances made by western leaders were made verbally, but not codified into treaties or agreements, as per the famous line "not one inch eastward". Does that make western leaders lying twofaces? At the 2008 NATO meeting in Bucharest, NATO gave open invitation to both Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO sometime in the future, without any MAPs. Not that MAPs are very important here on a timescale basis, since both M…

‘Not one inch eastward’, as Gorbachev himself made clear, was only about stationing troops in East Germany during the immediate Soviet withdrawal. It did not constrain the future unified Germany or NATO.

There was no such open invitation to Georgia and Ukraine, only vague promises. MAPs were still required.

The US would have no right to invade either Canada or Mexico if they were discussing joining a mutual defence pact with Russia, yes.

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Post by dragonwriter »

chatmasta wrote: post #40
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

> The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN.

Its been very useful at doing the same thing the ad hoc international war crimes tribunals that preceded it did but with greater regularity and without as much spinup/winddown costs for each conflict they address.

> The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy,

That's not its concept or where it operates, though.

> If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

I think you’ve confused the ICC with the ICJ or the UN itself. The ICC does not exist to arbitrate disputes between nations in place of settling them by war.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

quotz wrote: post #389
_djo_ wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent point. Ukraine, like any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too. There is no right in international law that allows its neighbours to invade if it picks one they don’t like. Add to that that it’s a mutual defence pact and the argument becomes more absurd.

What would happen if Canada joined a mutual defense pact with Russia? Or Mexico? Think about this scenario, would the US invade immediately?. Something similar actually happened with Cuba in the 60s, and the US invaded them, doing a total naval siege [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Nothing should or would happen.

The issue with Cuba was the stationing of nuclear missiles in Cuba, not merely its membership of a pact with the USSR.

The US didn’t invade Cuba, it assisted Cuban exiles to do so in the embarrassing Bay of Pigs disaster which took place before the naval blockade as part of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Naturally, Bay of Pigs should never have happened, and it’s one of the things that led to the CIA’s powers and freedom from oversight being drastically curtailed the following decade.

Furthermore, the world and international law has moved on since the 1960s. That sort of brinkmanship has been much reduced.

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Post by estsauver »

linehedonist wrote: post #16

The underlying article in Le Monde: https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2025/11/19/nico... Archive link: https://archive.is/TleMk

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/n...

There is an English version of Le Monde as well.

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Post by marcosdumay »

vincvinc wrote: post #241

"All his accounts with US companies such as Amazon, Airbnb, or PayPal were immediately closed by the providers. Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France." How is this legal / OK?

The Law requires that they do it if their (the US) government demands.

If you are asking how it's OK, it's not. It's wrong on many different levels. But it's legal (or at least the US has laws that mandate that same thing, I don't know if they were the ones applied here).

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Post by NedF »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #260
KK7NIL wrote: post #246

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The best China has is an internationally uncompetitive "7nm" fab and that's the best they'll have until they can manufacture EUV machines domestically. So the EUV blockade has absolutely been effective and the fact that the PRC is paying so many shills to convince westerners otherwise just shows how behind they are.

I noticed that people love pointing how far AI field has advanced in a few years and extrapolate next few years. While at the same time being dismissive of Chinese semiconductor manufacturing process. In similar vein I also remember claims that TSMC Fab in Arizona can never work, and yet it does. So I don't know man, I wouldn't underestimate what a billion of enterprising people can do. Especially when paired with th…

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Post by wang_li »

embedding-shape wrote: post #369
wang_li wrote: post #286

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I imagine the shortest path Russia->Ukraine->EU Members Romania/Hungary/Slovakia/Poland is far shorter than the shortest path Russia->Cuba->Any US State or territory.

Both Cuba and Russia are literal neighbors to the US, it doesn't get closer than that. Cuba is like 150km from the coast of Florida, and Russia is even closer than that to the US!

You're just randomly creating new positions to argue about because why? There is no factual way in which whatever point you are trying to make holds true re. Russia/Cuba to the US is less than Russia/Ukraine to the EU & NATO.

Kaliningrad literally shares borders with Poland and Lithuania. 0 km is the smallest distance possible. Russia and Ukraine both border EU and NATO countries.

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Post by SiempreViernes »

dragontamer wrote: post #371
Nextgrid wrote: post #329

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> everyone else is trying but haven't really shown much promise What was the incentive/funding for their attempts? In a non-national-security scenario it makes sense not to try too hard because you can just buy ASML's solution. With China it's a bit different, if they decide it's a matter of national security and pour Manhattan-project-levels of money/resources into it, they could make faster progress.

Well yeah. No one is saying that China cannot do that. Just that the political calculus is that it's better for China to spend their resources on that, rather than building up troops and warships. Force Chinas growth to be more expensive. It has nothing to do with not believing China can do it, it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do.

> Just that the political calculus is that it's better for China to spend their resources on that, rather than building up troops and warships.

Note that this calculus only makes sense if you invade China while they are busy with the EUV machines, otherwise they catch up technologically and then build all the scary military.

Of course, the the calculus doesn't make sense at all, because the obvious order when you can't do both is you build enough military to feel safe first, then you try for the tech race.

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Post by drysine »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #396
Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #373

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It wasn't. It had some weapons on their territory but could not use them. The red button was always in Moscow.

> It had some weapons on their territory but could not use them. The red button was always in Moscow In the 90s. Twenty years buys lots of time for code cracking, reverse engineering and—if that fails—bullshitting. With the benefit of hindsight, Ukraine should have kept its nukes. (Finland, the Baltics, Poland and Romania should probably develop them.)

>Ukraine should have kept its nukes

They would've quickly sold them to Iran like they did with nuclear capable missiles. [0]

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005-05/ukraine-admits-missi...

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Post by joe463369 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #196
TimorousBestie wrote: post #134

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The firebombing of Tokyo and civilian residential districts in many other cities was what I had in mind, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo 100k dead, 1M homeless, mostly civilian.

All out war is hell and pretending like civilians get a pass from the wave of destruction is naive. However, one main difference people in this thread seem to forget is that America’s civilian kills were about dealing damage to an enemy country within enemy territory. It’s horrific but the main difference was that Germany mass executed and actively tortured civilians within its own territory. America never did that a…

"Fair enough, we've a long history of lynching black people and killing native americans, but we're not as bad as the Nazis"

That's some position to take.

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