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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

a2tech wrote: post #105
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #101

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As a seventh generation American, war veteran who has been in public service for 22 of my 25 working years and mixed race person, America has literally never organizationally been any of the things you describe. We are a nation of selfish, narcissists that have no concept of consistent long lasting care based communities. What little care we give each other is mediated through transactions or cult based social alignm…

Any nation made up of human beings is going to be flawed. The way forward is via incremental change and compromise. Forcing societal change does not, and never has, worked.

>Forcing societal change does not, and never has

It looks like Musk was able to buy Twitter and, together with the other media magnates, force a massive societal change in USA. At least from the outside looking in, before this year USA seemed to be a democracy (with some factions doing their best to subvert that) and the Constitution seemed to be a widely supported basis for that democracy. But now, the Constitution has been torn to shreds and seemingly with massive support from people who will call sand wet and water dry if Trump tells them communists don't agree with it and that his clever uncle told him so.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

general1465 wrote: post #238

The more USA is going to use this leaver, the likely they will make this leaver useless in the future. Like with China, when they overused chips leaver which stunted China for a while, but eventually gave them a way to establish their own chip industry. Now that leaver is becoming effectively useless. It will ends up same with EU.

> Like with China

The best example with China is actually their rare earth wolf warrior bullshit. It’s taken a lever that could have been decisive in a war and neutered it.

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Post by marcosdumay »

beloch wrote: post #348
general1465 wrote: post #238

The more USA is going to use this leaver, the likely they will make this leaver useless in the future. Like with China, when they overused chips leaver which stunted China for a while, but eventually gave them a way to establish their own chip industry. Now that leaver is becoming effectively useless. It will ends up same with EU.

It's directly analogous to China issuing export bans. They tried this with critical minerals. Critical minerals aren't actually all that uncommon. They just weren't being actively extracted in most places. Now many extraction projects are starting to roll around the globe because it has become clear China was willing to use access to them as leverage. My guess is that China will be highly reluctant to restrict export…

> Now many extraction projects are starting to roll around the globe because it has become clear China was willing to use access to them as leverage.

That happened in 2018 too. All the projects at that time broke because China does it cheaper.

The thing that isn't available in most countries isn't the minerals.

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Post by flag_fagger »

anon84873628 wrote: post #215
flag_fagger wrote: post #111

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> Americans don't seem to understand how the moral character of their politicians and their political system is relentlessly degraded by the so called Israel lobby, or they don't care, or have resigned themselves to it. I mean, it’s causing a small rift in the GOP. Time will tell if that escalates any though. I stand firm in my believe that nothing ever happens though.

It is also causing a rift between "Leftists" who distinguish themselves from "Liberals" i.e. Democrats. Apparently there are many who didn't vote for Harris because she did not sufficiently distance from Israel and condemn the genocide.

Interestingly in both cases, it seems to be an age divide at least somewhat.

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Post by [deleted] »

Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #373
immibis wrote: post #117

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Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

It wasn't. It had some weapons on their territory but could not use them. The red button was always in Moscow.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #373
immibis wrote: post #117

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Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

It wasn't. It had some weapons on their territory but could not use them. The red button was always in Moscow.

> It had some weapons on their territory but could not use them. The red button was always in Moscow

In the 90s. Twenty years buys lots of time for code cracking, reverse engineering and—if that fails—bullshitting.

With the benefit of hindsight, Ukraine should have kept its nukes. (Finland, the Baltics, Poland and Romania should probably develop them.)

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Post by quotz »

_djo_ wrote: post #257
quotz wrote: post #250

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There was no such promise. Everyone who was actually in the room during those talks, including Premier Gorbachev, has denied it. Nor was Ukraine anywhere close to joining NATO. It’s application had effectively been frozen in 2008, and it was not even being offered a MAP which is about step 1 on a 20 step ladder of actions to take before joining. It’s a red herring being used to justify Russia’s territorial and imperi…

The assurances made by western leaders were made verbally, but not codified into treaties or agreements, as per the famous line "not one inch eastward". Does that make western leaders lying twofaces?

At the 2008 NATO meeting in Bucharest, NATO gave open invitation to both Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO sometime in the future, without any MAPs. Not that MAPs are very important here on a timescale basis, since both Montenegro and Macedonia joined NATO in matter of months, without the consent of the population, but by corruption of the leadership. What is an open invitation stated publicly, also consists of thousands of conversations in private.

Hence, Russia would not allow this to happen at any cost. Would the US tolerate Russia meeting up with Canada and Mexico behind closed doors and offering them nuclear protection, first covertly, then even publicly?

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Post by pyrale »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #163
chatmasta wrote: post #77

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Yeah sounds great. But it’s hopelessly naive. As soon as someone disagrees, if they have more real power than the ICC, then its enforcement becomes ineffective. You can’t solve disagreements by agreeing to disagree.

International law is inherently more of a social contract than an actual law. That doesn't make it useless because it does have a real effect on how countries behave, but it does mean that enforcement looks more like getting ostracized than it looks like law enforcement.

> International law is inherently more of a social contract than an actual law.

Isn't actual law a social contract aswell?

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Post by layer8 »

vincvinc wrote: post #241

"All his accounts with US companies such as Amazon, Airbnb, or PayPal were immediately closed by the providers. Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France." How is this legal / OK?

Companies are generally free to choose who they are doing business with.

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Post by quotz »

quotz wrote: post #389
_djo_ wrote: post #354

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Excellent point. Ukraine, like any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too. There is no right in international law that allows its neighbours to invade if it picks one they don’t like. Add to that that it’s a mutual defence pact and the argument becomes more absurd.

What would happen if Canada joined a mutual defense pact with Russia? Or Mexico? Think about this scenario, would the US invade immediately?. Something similar actually happened with Cuba in the 60s, and the US invaded them, doing a total naval siege [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

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