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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by archon810 »

andronikos wrote: post #127
M0r13n wrote: post #31

A few weeks ago I noticed DNS4EU couldn’t resolve archive.is and assumed it was just a configuration mistake. I emailed them about it, and after a couple of days or weeks (not really sure) the domain started resolving again. Given AdGuard’s recent report about suspicious pressure on DNS providers to block Archive.today, I’m starting to wonder if DNS4EU’s temporary block was actually related to the same campaign

member of DNS4EU ops team here - This was not the case, we had reachability issues with the authoritative servers of archive.is and had to reach out to the team to allow our source IPs. https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1ohekv5/updatedn...

I love HN.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by [deleted] »

dpark wrote: post #379
noosphr wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The above post contains csam, Dang please delete it without reading. Thanks.

You misunderstand the situation and what I was suggesting. GP was saying that AdGuard should have checked the contents of some random URL supposedly containing CSAM on archive.today. This is not AdGuard’s job. Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. And it also potentially opens them up for additional liability if they do determine that CSAM is present. AdGuard seems like they did exactly the right thing,…

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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by MrDresden »

Something that I feel needs to be clarified, since I've noticed this being parroted around and it's technically incorrect:

It is incorrect to say the FBI has subpoenad the register for Archive.is. The FBI can not subpoena the register for .is domains, since there is only one and it is Icelandic. US subpoenas have no power outside the US.

So they are going after another of Archive.is domains, just not the Icelandic one.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by harvey9 »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #255
harvey9 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm addressing an individual, not a state.

[Germans' ears perk up], then. What I'm saying is by that logic, no german needs to uphold their historical responsibility/debt.

I'm glad the German state takes its history seriously but I do not expect Germans not even born in the nazi era to make personal apologies any more than I expect the Indian whose post began this chain to apologise because other Indians are scammers.

That said, you make a tacky point which devalues itself by invoking Nazism in the not-even-slightly-comparable context of scams. Are you next going to tell me about all the swastikas you saw when you travelled through India on your gap year?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by bostik »

axiolite wrote: post #380
dpark wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand the situation and what I was suggesting. GP was saying that AdGuard should have checked the contents of some random URL supposedly containing CSAM on archive.today. This is not AdGuard’s job. Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. And it also potentially opens them up for additional liability if they do determine that CSAM is present. AdGuard seems like they did exactly the right thing,…

> Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. Put CSAM in a banner ad, and arrest everyone who was served that ad? Post a CSAM photo behind plexiglass on a wall in a public space, and arrest everyone who walks by and glanced at it? Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? People get arrested for paying for, or sharing CSAM, not just stumbling on a website that might have som…

Illegal to possess, and you would have accessed it to view content that is illegal to access as well?

The people who do this as part of their job do so under strict supervision, legal guard rails AND mandatory counselling. Which happens to include a number of content moderators.[0]

0: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crr9q2jz7y0o

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by [deleted] »

dpark wrote: post #364
PinkSheep wrote: post #331

Good job on AdGuard's end for bringing this to the Internet's attention. I especially enjoyed the unearthed details about this "N"GO's short history. I think the e-mail exchange should've been kept short, although it is good that the owner of archive.today was eventually notified (by them) about these links in good faith to remove them. Their reply should've been the following: " Thank you for contacting us. If you h…

> We have visited the URLs provided by you “You sent claims of CSAM hosted on someone else’s servers and we decided to download it.” Hell no. I don’t want to see that and I don’t want it being ingested into systems I control. Of all the stuff here, “download some supposed CSAM to see if it’s real” is the absolute worst advice I can imagine.

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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by squigz »

txrx0000 wrote: post #96
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

They have plausible deniability, but the fact of the matter is: this also erases evidence of past crimes from public records. If bad things already happened then we should keep the evidence that they happened. The root problem of CSAM is child trafficking and abuse in physical space. But for whatever reason enforcement efforts seem to be more focused on censoring and deleting the images rather than on curbing the act…

I'm quite certain there's lots of effort world-wide to stop child trafficking and rape. So I ask: Does it only seem that there's more focus on censorship? Or is there actually?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by vasco »

noosphr wrote: post #372
dpark wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have visited the URLs provided by you “You sent claims of CSAM hosted on someone else’s servers and we decided to download it.” Hell no. I don’t want to see that and I don’t want it being ingested into systems I control. Of all the stuff here, “download some supposed CSAM to see if it’s real” is the absolute worst advice I can imagine.

The above post contains csam, Dang please delete it without reading. Thanks.

Nothing above links to anything suspicious mate, much less that.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by squigz »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #390

It looks like WAAD has posted a response to this situation: https://webabusedefense.com/presse/Communiquer_presse_Aff-Ad... [pdf]

Scroll down in the PDF for an English translation.

"The fight against child sexual abuse material is not negotiable. It cannot be relativized. It cannot be turned against those who fight it."

This sort of moral certainty won't help anyone.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by squigz »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #271
alansammarone wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, broadly. The good news is that, I think, we don't really need - if fact, we probably don't really want - most people to accept anything, at least the specific context of this thread. It's about whether we can carve out a space - some space - for people like you and me. > I've given up on trying to change the world. I don't think you have. Speech matters. Ideas matter. I'm not go…

> It's about whether we can carve out a space - some space - for people like you and me. Yes. Society at large is a lost cause but maybe we can select some number of known good individuals and form a microsociety inside it where we can enjoy the freedom we crave. There is a name for that: elitism. I'm not against it. Those who don't make the cut certainly will be. > If nothing else, you believe in objective truth, I…

"Everyone else is stupid. I'm not though. I should be part of the elite"

The apathy and disdain people like you display for your fellow citizens is doing more harm to freedoms all over the world than most other efforts.

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