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Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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NASA has not been effective in 50 years. Maybe time to try something else?

As I understand it JPL has been pretty effective, but that's a very small part of NASA overall.

JPL is also not really “NASA” in the same sense. There are only a handful of civil servants and the CalTech as a contractor. It’s similar to the “quasi-government” operations of national lab.

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Government employees profit from work they do too. There is no enterprise that people should engage in that does not provide profit to them personally. What are you saying?

That’s an odd take, I never said people should not be paid a living wage for their contributions to the country. However, when was the last time the government authorized a multibillion dollar pay package for a single worker? The government doesn’t have stock buy backs, they don’t have dividends to pay out. That is where private business greed comes in and has no place in public government work. That kind bloat is wh…

Afaik Tesla is not a government contractor, so your compensation comment is moot.

Where we see waste in government is in big, entrenched, dinosaurs where competition is very difficult and/or limited. What we need is a little more free market capitalism in those areas. Greed is not the driver of waste imo, incompetence is a far bigger contributor.

If you'd like to make tangible arguments instead of vaguely ranting against capitalism then I'm all ears.

Edit: also the multi-billion dollar compensation package was in stock, so it didn't actually waste any money

Edit 2: by the way you're still dodging my original legitimate question about what the government has ever actually built without private contractors. There are real answers to that question and if you are such a big proponent of the government building things themselves maybe you should know something about them.

Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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That’s an odd take, I never said people should not be paid a living wage for their contributions to the country. However, when was the last time the government authorized a multibillion dollar pay package for a single worker? The government doesn’t have stock buy backs, they don’t have dividends to pay out. That is where private business greed comes in and has no place in public government work. That kind bloat is wh…

Afaik Tesla is not a government contractor, so your compensation comment is moot. Where we see waste in government is in big, entrenched, dinosaurs where competition is very difficult and/or limited. What we need is a little more free market capitalism in those areas. Greed is not the driver of waste imo, incompetence is a far bigger contributor. If you'd like to make tangible arguments instead of vaguely ranting aga…

Two edits and you hand waved away the point about CEO compensation? oof. Governments and private businesses have the same problems since they are both made up of imperfect humans. The government has the great oversight mechanism that private businesses don’t which is called voting, which is why I think it takes the cake here.

I never said that the government should never use private contractors (always need janitorial services), but when tax dollars are being used to fund technology and research, the government should never cede ownership of those outputs to private business.

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That’s an odd take, I never said people should not be paid a living wage for their contributions to the country. However, when was the last time the government authorized a multibillion dollar pay package for a single worker? The government doesn’t have stock buy backs, they don’t have dividends to pay out. That is where private business greed comes in and has no place in public government work. That kind bloat is wh…

Afaik Tesla is not a government contractor, so your compensation comment is moot. Where we see waste in government is in big, entrenched, dinosaurs where competition is very difficult and/or limited. What we need is a little more free market capitalism in those areas. Greed is not the driver of waste imo, incompetence is a far bigger contributor. If you'd like to make tangible arguments instead of vaguely ranting aga…

It may be important to note that SpaceX and Tesla finances are likely intertwined. This is a common dynamic among Musk’s companies. So while Tesla is not a contractor, its finances do affect government contractor risk. Tesla stock has been the main collateral for Musk at the same time he engages in start-ups and I don’t think that is coincidence.

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> You vote for a person not a specific policy You're not wrong as general rule of thumb imo, or in a straight sense of reality, but tell that to the evangelicals who spend their time slandering abortion.

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> Americans want looting and authoritarianism, so that's what they're getting. There's no excuses here after a majority of people voted for Trump's ret with his repeated promises that he wou be held back this time around. Why do you think it's appropriate to say "Americans want..." and "We got exactly what we voted for..." when only 32% of Americans voted for Trump?

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