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Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by troupo »

ulfw wrote: post #363
echelon wrote: post #167

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They used to do all principal photography for half of all Marvel films in Atlanta. The industry has almost completely pulled out in just the past three years. We had a booming, absolutely thriving industry for nearly two decades. People moved from LA to be here. We built hundreds of studios and sound stages. Now they're sitting empty. Everyone is going to Serbia now. IATSE folks are having to leave the industry entir…

Seems you were a-okay with people in California losing their jobs so you got them in Atlanta. You seem not okay with it moving from Atlanta to elsewhere. And stop repeating the Serbia line in every comment. You've done it multiple times. What productions are in Serbia? How many out of how many? Did you lose your job to one in Serbia and now it's sour grapes all along?

The Serbia angle is weird considering that so may movies were shot and are being shot in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania...

In general, all of Europe is bursting at the seams with movie and TV productions, many of them American: https://issuu.com/thelatesteditionishereandfreetoview/docs/c...

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Post by matwood »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #107
matwood wrote: post #73

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> there is nobody willing to step in to compete for their place China has been stepping on a number fronts. They are working on trade deals that exclude the US, and I'm sure are excited about the soft power vacuum left when USAID shutdown.

Maybe?.. If China had some sort of open minded Taiwanese government instead of the CCP, the US would be already buried by now. The problem of China, besides its concerning demography, is the authoritarian regime and its expansion views, which are both not very appealing for many Asian neighbors and Europeans.

China as a huge manufacturing hub shows that while people may talk about China's internal policies, the economics are what really matter in geopolitics.

Then there's Africa which China has been actively engaging and the USA has all but left at this point.

The global south will be interesting to see who engages there.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by geoka9 »

mopsi wrote: post #398
unsupp0rted wrote: post #328

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The difference is that nobody holds up "The Thing with Two Heads" or "The Cat from Outer Space' as must-watch American cinema

I wouldn't call "Ivan Vasilievich Changes His Profession" that either. It's more of a "Blazing Saddles" type movie with a cult following due to its catchphrases, but overall, it isn't very good. Even among movies by the same director, some slightly earlier titles like "Kidnapping, Caucasian Style" and "The Diamond Arm" from the late 1960s are much better, and hold up well against Hollywood contemporaries like "It's a…

> "The Diamond Arm" is a league above the average Hollywood movie of the era.

OK, even if true, that's only one movie :) I mean, ask any person from that era and they'll tell you it's their favorite. Kind of unfair to compare the only shining example to the "Hollywood average".

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Post by mschuster91 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #386
mschuster91 wrote: post #381

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> The constitution prohibits ex post facto prosecution. A lot of what the 47th and people in his administration did are already punishable by law - alone the Signal affair or other violations of the Public Records Act. It would not be a ex post facto prosecution, it would simply be a prosecution by a court of law that is reasonably free from corruption.

The United States has courts. I don’t think we have a law that allows you to create another jurisdiction above that of the US Courts. That’s a change in the law. It’s all fantasy anyway.

> I don’t think we have a law that allows you to create another jurisdiction above that of the US Courts. That’s a change in the law.

Well, whoever succeeds Trump will have to go for drastic measures to restore global trust in the US. No way around that, the system is fundamentally broken and needs a complete and utter overhaul. If the Democrats have an ounce of interest in self-preservation, they have no alternative than to bring down all the hammers they can on the MAGA part of the GOP.

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Post by troupo »

echelon wrote: post #167
croes wrote: post #154

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Imagine the costs of any blockbuster if it’s made in the US only

They used to do all principal photography for half of all Marvel films in Atlanta. The industry has almost completely pulled out in just the past three years. We had a booming, absolutely thriving industry for nearly two decades. People moved from LA to be here. We built hundreds of studios and sound stages. Now they're sitting empty. Everyone is going to Serbia now. IATSE folks are having to leave the industry entir…

> Everyone is going to Serbia now.

Here's a quote for you:

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“Labour unions contend that between 35 and 50 percent of feature films turned out by American producers are made abroad,” the New York Times reported on October 4 1959 as the volume of what were then called “runaway productions” began to soar.

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Notice the year.

Hollywood has been running away from California for over 70 years. Your obsession with Serbia completely ignores that all of Europe is used for movie and TV productions, and Serbia is just the latest addition: https://issuu.com/thelatesteditionishereandfreetoview/docs/c...

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Post by sorokod »

JeremyNT wrote: post #314
jaimebuelta wrote: post #94

Not sure I follow. Biggest real action movie last year was “Deadpool & Wolverine”, a Disney movie which was shot in UK and made a bit over 50% of its revenue overseas[1]. Its main stars were Canadian and Australian. Does this mean that you’ll have to pay double to go watch it to cinemas in the US? Will that make Disney to focus on the international market? [1] https://the-numbers.com/movie/Deadpool-and-Wolverine-(202…

This guy is obviously senile, so it's pointless to even try to analyse this. What did he mean when he said this? Who knows - he probably doesn't even remember himself. What will the resulting policy, if any, actually be? His advisors were probably hearing it for the first time just like the rest of us.

Probably, but a useful senile. Would be interesting to know whom did he have conversations with on the day of the post.

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Post by troupo »

ta20240528 wrote: post #239
echelon wrote: post #182

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This is actually surprisingly a pro-union move by Trump. If you aren't aware, they've shipped most IATSE jobs to Serbia since 2023. They used to shoot most Disney and Netflix shows in LA and Atlanta. Now they're happening in Eastern Europe. They fly the cast out and film with crews that don't have labor laws or unions and that are an order of magnitude cheaper. IATSE members have been forced to leave the industry, se…

IATSE = International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) None of them expected the "I" bit to be used? Ever?

It's the same as World Series in the US :)

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Post by KingOfCoders »

jq-r wrote: post #390
bluGill wrote: post #336

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Why are there two different numbers? When there is an emergency you want people to always do the right thing. Guessing the wrong number to call is not the right thing, and worse 2 numbers means there is great chance you didn't memorize either. This is well studied in human factors. Besides, anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too - when there is a fire or medical emergency whoever can get th…

Yeah its completely stupid. I've witnessed a lady falling down the stairs banging her head hard, blood everywhere. Called 112 in my country, a guy answered, and I calmly explained what happened, and I wanted someone coming there stat. "Nah" he says, he needs to ask me some questions first. One of the questions was: "is it serious?". This is no joke, I said "yeah, its fucking serious". "Okay" he says, "You should have…

Sad to hear. Recently called 112 in Germany (small town) and <5 minutes later an ambulance arrived. It wasn't an emergency in the end, but they were happy and friendly and got back to their station.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

mopsi wrote: post #398
unsupp0rted wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that nobody holds up "The Thing with Two Heads" or "The Cat from Outer Space' as must-watch American cinema

I wouldn't call "Ivan Vasilievich Changes His Profession" that either. It's more of a "Blazing Saddles" type movie with a cult following due to its catchphrases, but overall, it isn't very good. Even among movies by the same director, some slightly earlier titles like "Kidnapping, Caucasian Style" and "The Diamond Arm" from the late 1960s are much better, and hold up well against Hollywood contemporaries like "It's a…

Ask Russian-speakers to recommend a fun iconic movie to watch, and Ivan Vasilievich comes up all the time. I don’t see why, but it does.

Diamond Hand too.

It would be ridiculous if the same were true about Hollywood.

A Russian asks an American what movies to watch, and 8 out of 10 people go back to 1969 to recommend the same one? Impossible.

You’d get everything from Citizen Kane to Hitchcock to Rocky, etc. But you’d also get about 150 great picks from the 80s and 90s, and another dozen from after 2000.

And forget the greats. You’d get Zoolander, Demolition Man, Total Recall, Gremlins, Scream, John Wick, Legally Blonde even… there’s such a wide pool of fun iconic popcorn movies for any person.

Not to mention your Star Wars/Trek/Gate.

These movies aren’t “good” in the sense of being art. They’re good in the sense of people wanting to watch them.

Every n years I rewatch Commando, Con-Air, The Last Starfighter, etc just for kicks. It’s not pure nostalgia- they’re fun movies.

With int’l movies from any given country the list of recommendations is extremely shallow. It’s always one or two iconic revelations from a given decade. Or a couple auteur directors who won all the awards for their think-pieces about the human condition.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

ch_sm wrote: post #384
unsupp0rted wrote: post #246

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Look at all those top non-American films on that list: 1. Once Upon a Time in America 2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 3. The Great Dictator 4. Lord of the Rings 5. Chinatown If there's one thing you can't associate Charlie Chaplin or Jack Nicholson with, it's Hollywood. Number 9 on your list is famous non-Hollywood filmmaker Alfred Hitchcock.

> Look at all those top non-American films on that list: That’s not a list of non-American films, it’s a list of non-American directors. To answer what I assume is your every so snarkily delivered point: Yes, about a third of the directors on that list ended up successful in Hollywood. Does that mean international films are bad? Probably not! Does it maybe mean even Hollywood recognizes that there is a lot of interna…

What’s the relevance of non-American directors?

Nicole Kidman and Chris Hemsworth, say, are as Hollywood as it gets.

Heck so is Salma Hayek.

The point is that intl can’t compete with Hollywood because Hollywood is widely appealing and relatively very good.

It doesn’t matter that Alfred Hitchcock became a naturalized US citizen.

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