So this is what late stage capitalism looks like.
I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
This reminds me of the EU regulations, which not only: 1. _require_ dishwashers to have an Eco mode, not locked behind anything, but also 2. _require_ Eco mode to be the default . If you buy a dishwasher in the EU and turn it on, and press "start", it'll be on Eco mode, the mode that uses the least water/power. If you don't care about the dishwasher other than to turn it on, and it works for you, then everybody wins.…
The weird thing about eco modes is that they often don’t use less water or power. I live off grid, and just as a function of my setup I know exactly what consumes what. My Bosch dishwasher, on a normal 70C dish cycle, uses about 4.5L of water and 1.6kWh. On eco mode, it uses 8L of water, and 1.8kWh. Takes twice as long though. Similar with my AEG washer - a 40 degree cotton wash uses marginally more water than a 40 d…
Is 70c normal? Wont that mess up plastic items?
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#403I work on embedded appliance software at my job. A few comments: It's quite easy to find yourself having non-zero boot times for some unfortunate reasons. At least in my org, the software as a whole is RAM/ROM constrained rather than speed constrained. Even when you're this close to bare metal, devs tend to write over-abstracted code riddled with inefficiencies. And of course most people don't profile the application…
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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to Wirecutter, they pulled Bosch from their recommendations after all the old models were pulled and this new line of WiFi connected dishwashers replaced them in 2023. You would really purchase something based on past experience with the company, not caring about looking into the current state of what they are producing?
> You would really purchase something based on past experience with the company Absolutely. Companies that make bullshit products very rarely get their act together, so why wouldn't brand loyalty be a thing when one encounters a quality product? > after all the old models were pulled and this new line of WiFi connected dishwashers replaced them in 2023 That is news to me. If true my next dishwasher is going to be a H…
There is no customer loyalty, so with brand loyalty you're only ripping yourself off.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
There has to be some backpressure on the supply chain. I appreciate that you used your clout to make the issue public, but sometimes I worry that it only goes so far as our little echo chamber.
I want to know what dishwasher and washing machine Marques Brownlee (mkbhd) uses, and to know that is going to use his clout in this regard ... not to burden him, but he has almost 20M subscribers on YT ...
I don't know if I want an appliance recommendation from someone who launched a paid subscription app for phone wallpapers. That mindset does not seem compatible with the customer owning what they bought.
If there was any influencer I'd want to know that from it's Louis Rossmann.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#406If it fails intermittently it’s very likely caused by cracked solder joints or dried out capacitors in the power supply. I bet this GE control board could be fixed cheaply - if it was old, it might even not use a switching mode power supply, but an old classical transformer + rectifier - those are trivial to fix and no special parts are needed.
The problem is though, there aren’t many electronic shops left which are able to do component level repair. Almost everybody replaces full modules, as it is much easier.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#407> We don't have 1.5 hours every night to spend hand-washing dishes (not to mention the water bill!). Where is that bizarre conception that washing dishes by hands ends up wasting more water? If anything it's the other way around.
Nope. A modern dishwasher uses 2-3 gallons per load. If your dishwasher has Eco modes or a half-cycle mode, you can use even less. A typical kitchen faucet will deliver 2 gallons per minute. If you run your faucet for longer than that, and most people absolutely will, you are wasting water by hand washing.
These arguments justifying dishwashers are silly. How expensive is your water that this small saving is going to offset the cost of electricity and the appliance itself? You use a dishwasher because you're lazy, not because of efficiency or cost benefits. It's OK to just say. I hate washing dishes too.
1.5 hours a day and a high water bill is a ridiculous exaggeration, though. Like with anything, the more you do it the better you get at it. I wash dishes currently because I don't have a dishwasher. It takes 10-20 minutes tops, and my water bill is lower than my internet bill (and much lower than internet + various media subscription services that I don't need).
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#408I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process. The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said y…
>So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny
What happens if you accept it? Do you just see your neighbors screen? This sounds like something terrifying enough to convince your neighbors to pay attention.
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#409I've got a few Bosch appliances. I like the Bosch website where I can get spare parts [1]. When the door spring of my 15 years old dishwasher broke a couple of years ago, I went to the Bosch website, enters the model number and got an exploded view with all the parts. I ordered the spring and replaced it myself. A few minutes of work. Much faster than finding a repair guy with a free appointment slot. My Bosch washin…
I think if you have on of their models with a display at the front you can use all functions without connecting to WiFi.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#410I just spent €1,250 for an oven (the only one I could find that was 45cm in height and could cook with steam).
It works very well but I was horrified when I saw the message saying that "It required an urgent security update" and that it would download it from the cloud.
I feel we went too far.