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Post by disattention »

robertlagrant wrote: post #211
disattention wrote: post #202

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This is a kind of stoic virtue signal that may make people feel more mature for agreeing, but fails to fix issues while mocking people who try to make a difference. It's ok for people to feel things, and it's ok for people to want laws addressing anti-consumer behavior.

> This is a kind of stoic virtue signal that may make people feel more mature for agreeing, but fails to fix issues while mocking people who try to make a difference. None of these comments are fixing issues or trying to make a difference. Sending the product back is a really good idea, especially if this change in terms means you can get a refund even if you've had it a long time.

The reason I replied to the parent comment was because of their dismissive tone. Of course returning the product is a good idea, but telling reasonable people to "chill out", and dismissing their concerns by suggesting they "just XYZ" is truly unproductive. It ends the conversation rather than engaging with it.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by rapind »

balamatom wrote: post #350
rapind wrote: post #336

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> If you don't have a self-consistent set of ethical values, and expect everyone else to determine those for you, I hate to break it to you, but you shouldn't have had kids. Clevon's not listening to this slop and neither should anyone else. Unless you're a total psycho, go ahead and have kids. They are wonderful and life changing. They'll probably make you a better person. You don't need to be a perfect parent. You…

You demonstrate my point exactly. Did you even notice that you only spoke of the significance of having kids in terms of what it means for "you" , i.e. in terms of the parent's experience? You did not move even minimally towards figuring their perspective, i.e. the first-person conscious experience of the kids themselves , into your moral reasoning. At all. You speak as if they are extensions of your being, and not a…

> Did you even notice that you only spoke of the significance of having kids in terms of what it means for "you"

It was a direct response to your "point", which was even quoted.

> You speak as if they are extensions of your being, and not actual completely new individuals. In my book, such lack of theory of mind towards even those who are closest to you, is exactly "total psycho" behavior.

Wow. One of us is definitely psycho.

> Sorry, but it's not your kids' job to "change your life" or "make you a better person", that's entirely on you.

You're putting words in my mouth. As I said, this is in direct response to your "point" which was directed at the unenlightened "you". I never said it was your kids responsibility (or job). What a convenient leap of logic.

I don't even know how to address your paragraph of your word salad. I will say only that I have kids, they are lovely, they definitely changed me and I wouldn't trade them for the world. Luckily we weren't deterred by sanctimonious parenting slop.

Clevon is a reference from the movie Idiocracy.

> Lemme guess, nobody told you that you could've given your kid a real name instead of not betting their entire identity on a contingent societal norm of mutual acceptance that we now see falling apart in real time?

Whew... you've owned me now I guess? You might need a break my dude.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by simpaticoder »

everdrive wrote: post #186

People don't really care about privacy, it's as simple as that. Yes, they worry about privacy, and complain about violations of privacy. But if they cared, they never would have purchased this product in the first place. There are bits of technology which violate privacy, but are extremely difficult to fully avoid: Social Media, (I know a lot of HN isn't on it, but how about most of your family and friends?) smart ph…

>People don't really care about privacy

People don't care about anything by default. They have to learn about threat-models and how to mitigate those threats. Usually this only happens after getting burned personally. (To learn from others is still learning, which people also don't care about.)

This topic comes up in politics all the time. There is this hurt and offended reaction to people embracing authoritarianism, often becoming nihilistic. But the practical truth is that people don't care about philosophy or politics. Human society's default is authoritarianism. Rather than be upset at this impulse, it would be wiser to acknowledge with amazement that we managed to try something different. Civilization will struggle with it's default settings for as long as civilization exists, and our role is fight against them, knowing the fight is never over.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by [deleted] »

jjulius wrote: post #381
flanbiscuit wrote: post #372

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My partner and I have both an Alexa and a Google Home Assistant and we leave the mic off on both devices. The Alexa we got because we have a Blink doorbell and it connects to the Alexa in order to make a sound when someone rings the doorbell. The Google Home Assistant came with the Google Nest Wifi Mesh extender. We both care about privacy so that's why we turned them off (but not enough to not have the physical devi…

>... we have a Blink doorbell... >We both care about privacy...

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Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by dml2135 »

HideousKojima wrote: post #366
letier wrote: post #344

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I wonder how it interacts with life expectancy. There is a huge difference between Mississippi and the UK: 78.6 years for males and 82.6 years for females in the UK in 2020 to 2022. 68.6 years for males and 75.2 years for females in Mississippi in 2020 and 67.7 years for makes and 74.3 years for females in Mississippi in 2021. Might go up a bit if you have 2022 numbers, but the difference is huge.

Life expectancy differences in Mississippi vs. the UK is largely due to race. Mississippi is about 36% black, and blacks in the US have a 5+ year shorter life expectancy than whites.

And... why does that matter?

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by margalabargala »

EGreg wrote: post #395
TriangleEdge wrote: post #393

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Alexa listens to more then the wake word. I've had this recommend products on Amazon while my wife and I were having a conversation at the dinner table. It also recommended calling 911 while I was talking about fire. It's a spying device people willingly put in their homes for the convenience of a timer you can active with your voice. Edit: It could be that it activated mishearing "Alexa". I don't have hard evidence…

Just wait until people start buying Tesla’s optimus robots! Cheap and ubiquitous surveillance will be the norm in the future.

Cheap and ubiquitous surveillance is the norm in the present.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by dingnuts »

EGreg wrote: post #395
TriangleEdge wrote: post #393

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Alexa listens to more then the wake word. I've had this recommend products on Amazon while my wife and I were having a conversation at the dinner table. It also recommended calling 911 while I was talking about fire. It's a spying device people willingly put in their homes for the convenience of a timer you can active with your voice. Edit: It could be that it activated mishearing "Alexa". I don't have hard evidence…

Just wait until people start buying Tesla’s optimus robots! Cheap and ubiquitous surveillance will be the norm in the future.

if people really think Musk is a Nazi, this would be like literally putting mindless order-following gestapo right in your house.

Surveillance? Shit they could just kill you the moment you were discovered to be some undesirable. We're talking about a humanoid-ish robot, after all. If it can help you with the laundry it can bash your head in, too.

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Post by HideousKojima »

dml2135 wrote: post #405
HideousKojima wrote: post #366

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Life expectancy differences in Mississippi vs. the UK is largely due to race. Mississippi is about 36% black, and blacks in the US have a 5+ year shorter life expectancy than whites.

And... why does that matter?

Because the comment I was replying to was wondering if there was any relationship between the GDP per capita of each location and the life expectancy?

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by swayvil »

Aurornis wrote: post #369
venusenvy47 wrote: post #359

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I personally assume that they wouldn't be processing all sound at all time from a device because it would be massively expensive for them. Obviously, it's technically possible that they could be, but I don't see how it would be financially possible. If we talk about targeted surveillance, then that is certainly financially possible. But I find it unlikely I would be targeting among the millions of people using these.

I don’t know why anyone in tech believes the myth that their devices are streaming everything. It’s trivial to inspect traffic from a device. You can see that your devices aren’t constantly streaming data somewhere. You can see a burst of activity after a command. Beyond that, it would require a massive conspiracy for everyone who ever worked on these programs to never leak details about always-on surveillance record…

So record everything and upload it along with the legit uploading. Just hide it in there. Seems trivial.

You could even convert to text first to make the packet super tiny.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by 999900000999 »

pc86 wrote: post #388
999900000999 wrote: post #281

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Life expectancy in Mississippi is 10 years shorter than in Greece >Mississippi ranked dead last in a CDC ranking of all 50 states and the District of Columbia when looking at 2021 data. The magnolia state had a 70.9-year life expectancy rate, slightly lower than West Virginia's 71. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2024/12/29/cdc-data... >The current life expectancy for Greece in 2025 is 83.10 years, a 0.18% i…

Yes but you didn't mention life expectancy, you chose maternal mortality then generalized that to "because Greece's maternal mortality is lower than Mississippi, Greeks are healthier." That was my point.

In no universe does a few ultra wealthy people in Mississippi make it a better place to live than half of Europe, which is what I was originally responding to.

That's all per capita GDP means.

Not like maternal mortality is only slightly higher in MS, it's drastically worse to the point where you can argue the healthcare standards are closer to that of a developing country.

Can you find a single health metric which would point to people in Mississippi doing better than those in Greece ?

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