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Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Today, hacker news solves air traffic control with either:

a) More money

b) Video game technology

To truly get this problem, you really need to be in it. Either as a pilot or as a controller.

Watching threads like this reminds me that I have expertise within a couple of specialized domains and that’s it. Beyond those, I’m a tourist.

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Everyone is going to make this about money or unions or etc, but my employer briefly worked with some ATC employee groups and I can tell you exactly why they are short staffed: - The FAA has strict hiring requirements. You have to be mentally and physically capable, and by their own admission less than 10% of applicants are qualified for the job. https://www.faa.gov/air-traffic-controller-qualifications - The trainin…

It's fiction, but for some sense of ATC stress, watch "Pushing Tin": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushing_Tin

ATC here, I love that documentary :-)

(Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA.)

I have some wild stories, but unfortunately sharing them would dox me.

The most inaccurate thing though is a transfer CPC (fully-certified controller at their previous facility) plugging in and being able to work without months of training in that area.

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Indeed, it didn't have race-based questions, which I don't think anyone claimed. Rather it had totally arbitrary questions, not related to merit in any plausible way, and a score cutoff that made it highly likely you'd fail if you hadn't been tipped off with the correct answers. For instance, there is a 15-point question for which you have to answer that your worst grade in high school was in Science, and a separate…

I don't understand how this isn't a giant public scandal. Is there something I'm missing here?

The test wasn't explicitly discriminatory, just the way that it was used. And the way that it was used is disputed. The facts are still being litigated. All the coverage is from opinion pieces or right-of-center newspapers.

https://archive.is/lDyOB

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Everything you have listed above could be solved with money. Only 10% of applicants are physically and mentally qualified? Sounds like you need more applicants? Want to attract more applicants? Offer more compensation. The training and onboarding is incredibly long? Sounds like a doctor? Do you know why people go through the pain of becoming a doctor? Because they make a lot of money when they get through the other s…

> Only 10% of applicants are physically and mentally qualified? Another way would be investing in education (instead of dismantling it, or mixing it with religion and politics), making it more accessible so more people come out who are better equipped to take on "complex jobs"

I generally agree with your sentiment for improving education, but I don't think the limiting factor for ATCs has to do with it, but with innate qualities in individuals.

You can see the list of criteria here: https://www.faa.gov/air-traffic-controller-qualifications

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Seems like a problem to me; nearsightedness is becoming more and more common.

Which is basically a problem with how we do school. Turns out that making teenagers stare at screens all the time mints a lot of near sighted 20 year olds who wouldn't have otherwise been.

Kids really need to spend time outside.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40148707

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Crazy how they present as a guild but behave like a cartel.

Unlike a cartel, you're not required to be an AMA member in order to practice medicine. It's completely voluntary and many doctors never join.

Cartels are usually voluntary.

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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I thought the buyout offer went along with the cancellation of remote work. Like, if you are thinking about quitting because you don’t want to come in, here have an extra incentive to do that and take some time to find another job. ATC already couldn’t work remotely. The only people who would take a deal like this would be people who were thinking about quitting or retiring anyway. I suspect ATC will not be substanti…

Wait, why can't ATC work remotely? Serious question. They're looking at data on a screen and communicating via radio. Would the latency of any radio-digital relay be too high? Sure it's feeling like one step closer to Ender's game. But it could be possible in theory?

I'm an Air Traffic Controlling working at a "Center" (ARTCC). It's not the latency - it's that we have backups for the backups. I wish my house had the same level of redundancy my workplace does.

Edit: except for the asbestos. I'm glad my house doesn't have that. (IIRC they were all built in the 1960s.)

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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Many people have a low view of lawyers and investment bankers.

Those "low view" is out of jealousy and the idea that they're "doing evil" to get that money. It's a personal bias, which i personally also would ignore. I have respect for lawyers, and i have respect for investment bankers (who make huge merger/acquisition deals work).

You miss the point. why the low view exists is irrelevant.

Frankly, while I acknowledge their necessity, I have a poor (default) view of both bankers and lawyers. I don't see them as bad people, but people in their professions do many bad things.

If my son brings a banker home as a prospective mate, well, let's say they're not earning status points from their profession.

You (may have) and I (do) have respect for people in tough jobs like see workers. Doesn't mean my mom wouldn't prefer I date a nice doctor. My point being that social respect does not come with your personal respect.

Re: America desperately needs more air traffic controllers

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It seems they clawed back the offer or never gave it in the first place. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-exempt...

So what does that really mean for those he outright fired? They didn't "resign".no one who (stupidly) responded to that email to resign would have taken any effect anyway.

Were there air traffic controllers fired? I saw reports about some upper management at the faa and related, but haven't seen anything here.
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