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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by tills13 »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #379
ergonaught wrote: post #366

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.

No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this. This is like vegans banning steak.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by krainboltgreene »

pkkkzip wrote: post #390
morkalork wrote: post #220

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Which makes all the positive comments about rednote hilarious. It's like two proles in 1984 talking one another about how they're gonna defect from Oceania to Eastasia because citizens are treated just so much better there!

Again I note the distinctive lack of self-awareness from the demographic that is moving away from TikTok to a communist country value harboring app like RedNote The Rednote or "Xiaohongshu" in Chinese is literally referring to the Mao Zedong's propaganda book the modern counterpart being "Xi's Book of Thoughts" It's frightening how much young Americans hate their own country and the values that have allowed them this…

"communist country"

I didn't realize China had eliminated class and that companies were worker owned.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

beAbU wrote: post #299
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

> Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. Herein lies the rub. How do you decide what the threshold is? Who gets to decide what that threshold is, and how do you do it without inviting accusations of regulatory capture? If you make it blanket all social networks, then things like discord and even public slack orgs will inadvertently become collateral damage. If you make it focussed on only a few large…

In the US, at least, a government-run social media site would be impossible to moderate, because of the First Amendment. It becomes a Nazi bar immediately.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by jaypeg25 »

firefax wrote: post #399
erentz wrote: post #355

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First, people say things like they can't not use Facebook because it has marketplace, etc. shows there has clearly been an issue of not enforcing any kind of anti-trust laws for the past 20 years since US v Microsoft in the browser wars days. The FTC over the past four years has taken a turn here and is starting to do that work again, it's slow but it needs to continue. Second, these companies behave as publishers wi…

I deleted my Facebook in 2016, and when I tried to create a new one they banned me as "inauthentic". I've seen people complain about the site demanding a government ID scan, but I'd have been willing to prove I am who I am if given the chance. Now I can't delete my Instagram, which I was using FB SSO for. They ocassionally send me marketing emails that I might want to engage with so and so's content. How, when you nu…

Is this a common issue? I deleted mine around the same time. I recently moved to a small town where many of the restaurants and businesses use Facebook which kind of forced me back on. When I tried creating a new one the same thing happened, and there was no way of reversing this decision.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by doctorpangloss »

tills13 wrote: post #401
doctorpangloss wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.

No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this. This is like vegans banning steak.

You're getting it. It is like vegans banning steak!

> "lower primate improv troupe"

> "No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this."

"Everyone's generalizations are stupid, except mine."

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by ketzo »

kingstoned wrote: post #327
Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #254

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Don't underestimate the human ability to "settle for less" if said less requires less effort from them. There's a reason people pay for Netflix despite pirating proposing a higher level of quality ; Netflix is just easier. They will settle for the "easy" solution, which will be any one of the TikTok clones already existing (YT shorts, reels, whatever).

Netflix is not easier, but marketed heavily and competition is censored in search results. Some random pirating streaming site is unknown and probably not even easily discoverable on google (you have to use yandex for that). I stick to pirating with adblockers because it is more convenient, there is a much bigger library of content and I don't have to share any personal info or pay for anything.

If you know the words “yandex” and “adblocker” you are already 90th percentile ability to pirate content

Netflix is absolutely easier to use than any form of pirating for the vast majority of their userbase.

Everyone in this thread talking about how people will “just get a VPN” to use TikTok have zero concept of the technical abilities of TikTok’s user base

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by Etheryte »

ergonaught wrote: post #366

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

We all live in a bubble that consists of the people and things we interact with. People in your bubble not wanting this doesn't mean other people outside of your bubble don't.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by strathmeyer »

spencerflem wrote: post #91
lenerdenator wrote: post #87

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> 2. The govt is mad that they have control over the narrative on Facebook but do not on TikTok If the last four years are indicative of anything, it's that the US government has fairly limited control over the narrative on American social platforms. I lost count of how many times I saw people typing in "FJB" and "MAGA".

Facebook is extremely censored re: the genocide in Gaza TikTok is not

Trump won, the Russian misinformation campaign is over now. You can stop making stuff up about Jews now.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by williamtrask »

erentz wrote: post #355
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

First, people say things like they can't not use Facebook because it has marketplace, etc. shows there has clearly been an issue of not enforcing any kind of anti-trust laws for the past 20 years since US v Microsoft in the browser wars days. The FTC over the past four years has taken a turn here and is starting to do that work again, it's slow but it needs to continue. Second, these companies behave as publishers wi…

Or just address the core element of advertising that creates the perverse incentive — the ability for an auction to determine what you see. Paying to be a part of a digital phonebook is fine. Recommending things is fine. But skewing your recommender against the highest bidder maybe not.
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