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Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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slow database tables too.
A minor nitpick. SF doesn’t have tables. It is not a relational database. It is slow because it is an enterprise application. The link details the steps that are triggered every time a record is updated. https://www.salesforceben.com/learn-salesforce-order-of-exec...
Salesforce’s product is technically is a relational database. Maybe it doesn’t perfectly fit the relational model that Edgar Codd theorized, but I don’t think any widely used database product does.
A crucial aspect of the relational database is that the tables have columns which refer to another table (e.g. AccountId) and this what they call “lookup relationships” or “master-detail relationships” in Salesforce.
Also, I recently learned that SQL has triggers too in case you want the same procedure to take place after an INSERT, UPDATE, etc.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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Yeah, it's just an ad for Agentforce. They have been aggressively advertising on TV lately. One ad shows a restaurant seating customers in the rain because they aren't using AI. The other ad shows someone buying clothes that don't match because AI wasn't suggesting them. (They also serve the customer shrimp, which he doesn't like.) Looking at weather forecasts and rescheduling reservations has nothing to do with AI,…
The reason they can’t replace the pilots is due to liability. You think Salesforce will accept liability if the plane crashes?
That one's IBM but of course not. It's just snake oil.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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salesforce will be around forever. their purpose is to extract money. salespeople like to know that money is being spent on them because that's how they measure value, and will continue to demand salesforce for as long as it is expensive.
Oh so Oracle.
no, oracle exists to make c-levels feel important. very different. there's much more money in that than making salespeople feel important.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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There is no company-wide hiring freeze, but there’s teams/products/etc… who have them. There’s other things going on though this will help spin. There’s no way that productivity metric includes the last 2-4 months.
what happened in the last 2-4 months?
I'd also be interested to know what happened in the last 2-4 months.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
A minor nitpick. SF doesn’t have tables. It is not a relational database. It is slow because it is an enterprise application. The link details the steps that are triggered every time a record is updated. https://www.salesforceben.com/learn-salesforce-order-of-exec...
Salesforce’s product is technically is a relational database. Maybe it doesn’t perfectly fit the relational model that Edgar Codd theorized, but I don’t think any widely used database product does. A crucial aspect of the relational database is that the tables have columns which refer to another table (e.g. AccountId) and this what they call “lookup relationships” or “master-detail relationships” in Salesforce. Also,…
In Salesforce everything is an API call with hard limits eg you can only return 200 records unless you hit the bulk api.
JOINS do not exist in Salesforce. Instead you have to create bridge tables. Even then you can only traverse a max of three objects at a time.
Please do not try to use Salesforce as a general database, you are only putting yourself in a world of hurt.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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This is less about Marxist/capitalist and more about a change in regulation in the US that makes R&D expenses (dev headcount) amortized over five years (for taxes) versus sales being a straight-up expense. This one is going to be good for the stock price, and the AI Agent angle is a marketing masterpiece.
It's a good point about changes in tax laws for software devs. Makes me glad I work for a non-profit (a rare non-pathological non-profit no less!) For all the discussion about a soft job market for devs, the fact that the last Trump administration made a tax change that puts a target on our backs comes up rarely but it is part of the explanation.
The chance happened in 2023.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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It also lost 70% of its revenue.
The deal still has me scratching my head. They tossed out the brand name and logo. Elon already had the X name and domain. For much less than $44B I feel like you could clone Twitter and come up with a strategy to acquire users. Hell, for $1 billion you could probably pay a good number of influencers to move to your platform. $44 billion is an absolute fuckton of money to kill Twitter and move those people to your pe…
It's weird that everyone and their mum "could" clone twitter easily. And yet the only products of note that's more than dismissive hackernews comments/slideware with something in production at similar scale was meta with threads and that's still inferior in terms of search and discoverability and scaffolded with the guts of Instagram and bluesky which has the advantage of being founded by Jack Dorsey and has been around for years now. For all the big talk musk et al have I'm not sure they could actually have built a clone. You can pay influencers but if we look at how dominant tiktok is/was making buzz and content is more of an outcome of a bunch of incentivisations and the kind of non technical community management stuff people dismiss as marketing than throwing money at all the big names you can find.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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Twitter as an example, showed us that the staff really do matter
Seems like an odd takeaway to me - they fired 90% of their staff and now pump out new features way more quickly than old Twitter.
What features? Only updates I ever hear is various security features getting disabled/going dead and various tech demos getting checked out/failing.