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I wonder how Russian and North Korean citizens would feel about a capitalist, representative democracy?

I think they'd have thing or two to say about living under the rule of wealthy elites. We'd do well to listen to them.

I happen to know a lot of wealthy people who aren’t considered elite, nor have a lick of influence on the state of current affairs.

I don’t think Russians or North Koreans could say the same with a straight face.

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"Orion’s problems signaled to some at OpenAI that the more-is-more strategy, which had driven much of its earlier success, was running out of steam." So LLMs finally hit the wall. For a long time, more data, bigger models, and more compute to drive them worked. But that's apparently not enough any more. Now someone has to have a new idea. There's plenty of money available if someone has one. The current level of LLM…

Seriously? All they do is produce a “confidence metric”

But how do they do that?

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It seems to me that given how AI is likely to continuously increase capitalism's efficiency, your argument actually supports the claim you're trying to dispute.

Capitalism is not efficient, it's grabby. Read Bullshit Jobs. Moreover, capitalism isn't interested in efficiency, it's interested in grabbing more stuff. It's relatively effiicient at centralising power and resources into the pockets of shareholders, but that's probably not what you meant.

I think this is borne out even moreso in recent years, as environmental degradation continues, and we watch as capitalist systems are unable to do anything but continue to efficiently funnel money into the pockets of shareholders.

The word "efficient" can only plausibly be applied to overly simplified models in fantastical economic theories which don't reflect reality.

The kind of AI offered by companies like OpenAI may very well be an effective tool at grabbing more stuff though, sure. Or, rather, at convincing everyone they simply must move to this new area, that they control, effectively grabbing that newly created space.

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I think the wildest thing is actually Meta’s latest paper where they show a method for LLMs reasoning not in English, but in latent space https://arxiv.org/pdf/2412.06769 I’ve done research myself adjacent to this (mapping parts of a latent space onto a manifold), but this is a bit eerie, even to me.

kinda how we do it. language is just an io interface(but also neural obv) on top of our reasoning engine.

It’s not just a protocol buffer for concepts though (weak wharf Sapir, lakoff’s ubiquitous metaphors). Language itself is also a concept layer and plasticity and concept development is bidirectional. But (I’m not very versed in the language here re ‘latent space’) I would imagine the forward pass through layers converges towards near-token-matches before output, so you have very similar reason to token/language reasoning even in latent/conceptual reasoning? Like the neurons that nearly only respond to a single token for ex.

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Says who? And more importantly, is this the boulder? All I (and many others here) see is that people engage others to sponsor pushing some boulder, screaming promises which aren’t even that consistent with intermediate results that come out. This particular boulder may be on a wrong mountain, and likely is. It all feels like doubling down on astrology because good telescopes aren’t there yet. I’m pretty sure that whe…

The buzzkill when you fire up the latest most powerful model only for it to tell you that peanut is not typically found in peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

I don't think providing accurate answers to context free questions is even something anyone is seriously working on making them do. Using them that way is just a wrong use case.

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AGI is the Sisyphean task of our age. We’ll push this boulder up the mountain because we have to, even if it kills us.

Do we know LLMs are the path to AGI? If they're not, we'll just end up with some neat but eye wateringly expensive LLMs.

Yes because we are at AGI, bu the definition 5 years ago, goal posts are moving to ASI at this point, better than all humans.

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What we can reasonably assume from statements made by insiders: They want a 10x improvement from scaling and a 10x improvement from data and algorithmic changes The sources of public data are essentially tapped Algorithmic changes will be an unknown to us until they release, but from published research this remains a steady source of improvement Scaling seems to stall if data is limited So with all of that taken toge…

Great improvements and all, but they are still no closer (as of 4o regular) to having a system that can be responsible for work. In math problems, it forgets which variable represents what, in coding questions it invents library fns. I was watching a YouTube interview with a "trading floor insider". They said they were really being paid for holding risk. The bank has a position in a market, and it's their ass on the…

> They said they were really being paid for holding risk.

I think that's a really interesting insight that has application to using 'AI' in jobs across the board.

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> And the results of the project, dubbed Arrakis, indicated that creating GPT-5 wouldn’t go as smoothly as hoped. Quite the hubris to name the project after the desert planet of Dune, where multiple royal houses met their ruin.

The spice (money) must flow.

Re: GPT-5 is behind schedule

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Do we know LLMs are the path to AGI? If they're not, we'll just end up with some neat but eye wateringly expensive LLMs.

AGI will arrive like self driving cars. it’s not that you will wake up one day and we have it. cars gained auto-braking, parallel parking, cruise control assist. and over a long time you get to something like waymo, which still is location dependent. i think AGI will take decades but sooner will be some special cases that are effectively the same

Your position assumes an answer to OPs question: that yes, LLMs are the path to AGI. But the question still remains, what if they’re not?

We can be reasonably confident that the components we’re adding to cars today are progress toward full self driving. But AGI is a conceptual leap beyond an LLM.

Re: GPT-5 is behind schedule

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Two thoughts:

1. Even if LLM architecture doesn't work out, it's wise to remember that it's the quality of training data which is a deciding factor. A pivot is easily doable since this is a constant and disconnected from the technology itself.

2. This is clearly a moonshot project but it still feels wasteful especially with context of previous iterations of models and their shortcomings-it feels like the tremendous amount of money available is being used simply because it's available.

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