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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by neurotypicalc »

lenkite wrote: post #286
bko wrote: post #229

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I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

Elon Musk should dump Trump, support Kamala, perma-ban the right-wing and whoever the White House wants from Twitter. Then his popularity on HN will increase by 100x and HN commenters will start loving the Cybertrucks and start (re)liking X.

the reason he went with trump is because the dems sided with the legacy auto manufacturers who were trying to shove tesla under the rug and for woke and trans issues the Dems wouldnt give him support but it falls to be seen whether trump isn't just going to use him the same way since hes clearly hungry for oil

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by floxy »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #194
NetToolKit wrote: post #168

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But the LEAF is a great car :)

They’re especially great at depreciating: https://insideevs.com/news/715992/save-used-evs-price-differ... Second only to the MB EQS. Down almost half in 12 months. This is why EVs are lease-only vehicles right now IMO.

Back when the Leaf was eligible for the $7,500 federal rebate, that accounted for a pretty big chunk of the depreciation for the lower trims. MSRP was in the $28,500 neighborhood. Minus $7,500, leaves you at $21,000. Or 26% hit the day you drive it off the lot.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by caekislove »

Qwertious wrote: post #119
Sabinus wrote: post #89

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Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.

People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better ? In that case our tarri…

Protectionism built Japan, Korea and China's economies. Protectionism is good, actually.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Qwertious »

Sabinus wrote: post #304
redserk wrote: post #226

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Boy do I have news for you if you think China is the only country that pours money into domestic R&D for strategic commercial development…

Indeed, plenty of countries engage in a bit of strategic development. Plenty of countries aren't belligerent communists though. Communism brings the state direction of industry to another level and with Xi as the new leader for life means they'll be extra implacable.

They're communists but they're capitalisting better than the actual capitalists, and you're advocating for out-communisting the communists.

Protectionism doesn't work, because you can block them from selling in your country's market, but you can't block them from selling to every other country in the planet. Meanwhile, tarrifing their cars will be as effective in helping domestic industry drop prices as it was for Harley Davidson since the 1970s (who received "temporary" protectionism).

This isn't a result of some evil communist plot, China just had their shit together 10-20 years ago and are reaping the rewards.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Qwertious »

caekislove wrote: post #403
Qwertious wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better ? In that case our tarri…

Protectionism built Japan, Korea and China's economies. Protectionism is good, actually.

Protectionism let Harley Davidson make their motorbikes cheap enough to compete on the world stage in the 1970s. Except, they never bothered because they didn't need to compete - protectionism kept them nice and profitable, regardless of what they did.

Protectionism can be done well, but blindly applying it is dangerous and stupid.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by RollAHardSix »

thebruce87m wrote: post #76
RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

> She had about two or three tires slashed or had the air nozzle cut off and sentry mode didn't catch anything except the back of the persons head. Who is doing this? Anti-Musk people? Anti-EV people? I’m not from the US so I’m not familiar with the politics.

Emotionally unstable people. She was at a bloody hospital out of state and someone slashed her tires in the garage there. We can't speak to their motives but angry at musk or angry at the appearance of wealth wouldn't be too big of a hypothesis.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by RollAHardSix »

anonfordays wrote: post #328
binoct wrote: post #92

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I’m genuinely curious, on a 4-month old vehicle, why weren’t the three specific repairs and costs you list be covered under warranty?

All of the aforementioned things are 100% covered by warranty. The GPs comment is entirely made up, LARPing for internet points.

Wrong. Check their warranty online, they- like most other warranties- very deliberately leave out tires, vandalism, and problems with the electrical system.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by RollAHardSix »

specialist wrote: post #237
RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

If your state has "lemon laws", maybe you can get some help. https://www.atg.wa.gov/general-lemon-law TLDR: recourse when mfg sells a defective, unsafe, or both, vehicle. Not that this helps you... IMHO, current CyberTruck is in the alpha testing phase. It has multiple disruptive innovations. Tesla wisely chose the relatively low volume CyberTruck to mitigate risk. I'm concerned (but not surprised) Tesla is aggressiv…

VA so unfortunately we it requires contiguous time in the shop. Very much appreciate the input though, I know other owners in other states have pushed back with the lemon law.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by RollAHardSix »

left-struck wrote: post #238
RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

> I mean most cars you get a good five years out them anyway right? Uhh no? You should absolutely expect a good vehicle, hell most vehicles, to exceed 10 years without serious failures. Many vehicles come with 7 year warranties on manufacturing defects… It sounds like you need to take better care of your vehicles or buy better vehicles. I did notice that you said she drives 200 miles a day and that will certainly con…

Certainly correct. My old Prius made it like 14 years so yes. vehicles should be looking at ten years, I just threw out five years out of irritation or even a worst case scenario. I just meant our absolute minimum expectations were fove years.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by RollAHardSix »

anonfordays wrote: post #388
insane_dreamer wrote: post #372

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Having that many problems with a new vehicle -- covered by warranty or not -- qualifies that vehicle for "POS" label

Except none of those problems happened because the GP just made it all up. The post is a great example of Elon Derangement Syndrome. LARPing as Cybertruck owner, fabricating posts about the experience of owning one to virtue signal.

Go check out the cybertruck forums, you'll see plenty of owners have issues with their trucks and some who have pursued their state lemon laws, guess those are all made up. Guess the NHTSA investigations, or the dead families are all made up too.
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