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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by cogman10 »

bitcurious wrote: post #320
hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #313

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Israel is not a democracy, a huge percentage of the populate cannot vote and have no civil rights or any sort. Let’s please stop repeating this falsehood. It’s propaganda and the facts are clear.

Can you speak more to your perspective? The only way I can understand your take is to say that the West Bank is rightfully Israeli and therefore its residents should be citizens with voting rights. Are you opposed to an independent Palestinian state?

The west bank isn't independent. If a citizen there commits a crime, they are sent to an Israelite court. Their infrastructure and policing are done by Israel. Their elected officials are completely powerless, they cannot change anything.

Their vote cannot affect the government that governs them. They are israeli citizens with no say in the state that controls them.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by legulere »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #337
hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #313

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Israel is not a democracy, a huge percentage of the populate cannot vote and have no civil rights or any sort. Let’s please stop repeating this falsehood. It’s propaganda and the facts are clear.

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Israel, contrary to generally agreed upon international law, considers East Jerusalem as a part of Israel. The autochtonous Palestinians living there are eligible for Israeli citizenship which would allow them to vote. However only a tiny fraction has gotten Israeli citizenship as that would legitimise the annexation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law#Annexe...

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by edanm »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #375
edanm wrote: post #333

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There is an argument to be made that if the Palestinians have to ask permission to become a real state from Israel, then their "government" isn't really a government, and that all the Palestinians are in thrall to Tel Aviv, a government which rules them but does not represent them, whose laws bind them but for whom they may not vote.

There is such a valid argument. But the Oslo accords officially created the PA, which rules over the Palestinians in the West Bank. And Gaza is ruled by Hamas. The Palestinians are governed by a mix of Israeli military law and PA laws, which originate from Jordan, I believe.

Some argue that in practice, Israel has control over all the Palestinians, so in practice there is one large apartheid state. I don't believe this argument is valid, for the reasons I outlined above; I think it doesn't make sense for Palestinians to fight for their own State, have a semi-autonomous government that rules over them in practice (two if you count Hamas), fight to get international recognition for this Palestinian State and get it from many countries, but claim that they are being ruled by Tel Aviv.

(Of course the situation is murky - I think the important thing isn't what label we give this, it's to know what the facts are. Those above are the relevant facts, I believe. If you agree with me on the facts but choose to label it in one way vs. another, I think that's a less important discussion at that point.)

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by arandomusername »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #219
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

It's crazy that AIPAC is not registered as a foreign agent. They funnel orders directly from Netanyahu to our politicians.

There was one president that wanted to change that. But then something happened

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by hombre_fatal »

racional wrote: post #359
dang wrote: post #183

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

It seems you've been triggered by the mention of the g-word. But when we calmly consider what the commenter is saying: Israel is using information age technology to commit and propagandize their genocide It's plainly not an unreasonable proposition, nor does it seem to be intended to engage in battle or provoke. They're simply describing a perfectly horrible situation that happening on the ground (that some recognize…

Oh come on, it's obviously flamebait to say Israel is conducting a genocide even if you agree with the claim.

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #381
oddtuple wrote: post #226

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Dang, We get you’re frustrated but he’s just stating his opinion. It’s not out of line relative to the other discourse in this thread.

The issue, in this case, isn't opinions nor the other discourse in the thread. Rather, it is the account's comments over a long stretch of time. The question "has an account been using HN primarily for political or ideological battle?" is one of the most important criteria we use in HN moderation. When it is the case, we ask an account to stop and/or end up banning it. This rule has many advantages. One is that it's…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

myth_drannon wrote: post #343
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #322

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> IDF after the initial shock is doing great From an outside perspective, this doesn't appear to be the case. It's like that old management consulting saw: "Strategy without execution is useless — execution without strategy is aimless." Israel's actions appear to be entirely reactive; they're on the back foot, and they don't have a clear set of strategic objectives. Execution without strategy. In essence, they're res…

It appears the government has no clear strategy and lacks the famous "the day after" plan. But from IDF side, it took two weeks to take over the whole border with Egypt. Rafah is empty and by the end of the month, it will be Israeli. So yes, they spent months not doing anything while the government was trying to secure hostage release and Biden was screaming do not touch Rafah. But in general what strategy do you nee…

> But in general what strategy do you need? Take over, destroy the military infra and prevent smuggling. That's all that is needed. Gaza is thousand years back, it will never recover. It is not a threat anymore in any meaningful way.

Impressively amoral post, but this is insanity.

(1) Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is not self-sufficient.

(2) There's something monstrous about keeping 2M people herded up in a closed pen.

Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 -- and you're going to see what being a real pariah state feels like. Israel won't survive as a state very long after that; it is a hard thing, to be despised. And yet, if it comes to that point, it will be very richly deserved.

What you need is a strategy which improves the lives of Gazans -- not one that bombs their homes to rubble and sets them back a thousand years. You need to address their very real grievance. Without this, you're both sunk. Gonna end in tears, like I said.

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Post by asveikau »

edanm wrote: post #376
asveikau wrote: post #177

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This line of propaganda is kind of infuriating. Separate from this incident, Israel bombed afaik every hospital in Gaza. They claimed Hamas was operating inside them or under them and produced absolutely zero credible evidence of it. They killed a lot of doctors and patients. But if they start out polluting minds with the claim that one time at the Al Ahli parking lot, there was an Islamic Jihad rocket once, they the…

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I don't want to go back and forth because it's off topic for HN. If you have seen images of destroyed hospitals and you're saying this, it seems insane to me. What you're saying is on the level of genocide denial. Ps. My family was targeted by the Holocaust too.
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