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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Applejinx »

krona wrote: post #395
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #386

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I agree with the loss of understanding being a bad thing, but I cannot mourn the loss of creativity. Programming is a core part of our society and infrastructure, yet it's still one like a craft rather than engineering. Creativity should not be part of infrastructure efforts on a level beyond embellishments and experiments.

> Creativity should not be part of infrastructure efforts on a level beyond embellishments and experiments. You could say the same about architecture, but only modern architects think that way, because they were brainwashed by fashion.

Buckminster Fuller is creativity. Geodesic domes, tensegrity.

Failing to understand that is evidence you can be replaced by an AI that encompasses all of what's ALREADY known and understood.

The reality is, we're looking at an arms race between imagination and execution. And just implementing that which we already know is profoundly devalued in the age of machine-assisted intelligence.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

broken_thesis wrote: post #347
bennysonething wrote: post #323

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How many times do we have to try socialism before we're convinced it doesn't work? Or maybe you mean something like Nordic countries that are capitalist but tax more heavily and redistribute wealth more?

That magical Nordic system is called "social democracy", it's of course rooted in socialism, and it's so old that one of the first dark memes amongst left-wing groups ("You killed Rose Luxemburg!) is about them.

It's strange how those who say the Nordics aren't really socialist will be the first to dismiss their policies as socialist when they're suggested for the US.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

echelon wrote: post #392
prawn wrote: post #373

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It's not just that the budgets are harder to justify; it's also that prospective clients consider themselves to be experts. Having your judgement and expertise consistently overruled is disheartening and you often end up just following instructions, sapping any joy from the (diminishing and cheaper) role. I started my web business 25 years ago. 5ish years ago I started photographing and filming travel content, primar…

No. It's that the job to be done is to sell product. Not build a handcrafted website. Not build a beautiful website. Provide something that markets and sells something to customers. And with that perspective, the client really does know better. The web is ephemeral. Will it even still exist in twenty five years after AI provides all the answers and connections (all we use the web for anyway)?

In many cases, the client is right. I remember a college buddy who designed websites complaining about a problem client. Apparently he wrote their site in Silverlight, and the restaurant wasn’t thrilled someone had to download a plug-in to see their hours.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ben_w »

ChatGTP wrote: post #127
melagonster wrote: post #121

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unfortunately, we have capitalism. in our society, if people and their kids starving and dying, we think this ia justice.

That’s because it’s a minority of people in that situation, once it’s > 50% facing prospects like that, it all changes in the blink of an eye. No one gives a crap until it’s your own child, then it’s probably too late.

Second sentence yes, first sentence… well, the potato famine comes to mind.

Change happened, yes, but it's not necessarily fast even in such situations.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #269
thorncorona wrote: post #191

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> 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to disappear every decade or so and plan accordingly. 3. Look forward to an awesome new job after your current one is made obsolete. That goes for all of us. What can we do? Hope to save enough to not go into more debt for a second degree? Hope that second degree isn’t obsoleted either? As AI becomes more advanced the minimum education and likely IQ required to…

> What are we gonna do about the ever increasing N+1% of people who won’t be cost effective versus an AI? Their quality of life will increase because of all the cheap stuff we can make with ai and robots. They will coexist and compete with robots. Upward mobility should be better, given the access to advanced technology. Worst case scenario, they can all band together outside of the advanced civilisation, grow their…

By the same logic there's also no need for high IQ AIs to pay for low IQ humans.

It's all fun and games until suddenly you're the one on the outside, wondering how you get there.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Quiark »

dagmx wrote: post #9
al2o3cr wrote: post #4

LOL at the reply a couple posts down, where OP admits they work at a mobile shovelware sweatshop.

I don’t know why you’re downvoted (other than maybe the glibness?) because you’re right. They’re working at a company where the goal isn’t to make good content. They were effectively there as a means to churn out stuff. It’s why their boss is making them use AI prompts to get content out as quickly as possible. It doesn’t even matter how good the diffusion results is for that segment. It’s really just about having so…

Yes but are there enough jobs at those higher standard studios?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Applejinx »

anonyfox wrote: post #252
peyton wrote: post #224

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You’re taking a central planner’s view of a decentralized system. You can’t say “here’s a problem; let’s just make it go away.” We are going to print so much money. I don’t see how bumping up capital gains taxes are going to change anything. People will plow extra help into speculative bubbles. Casino thesis.

How about striding for one of the core societal values that make many advanced democraties (including the European nordics) so much better/happier than the US? It’s called Equality. Insert strong progressive taxes, especially on wealth, and use it to fund a strong public sector, so _everyone_ has as access to basic goods and services for free, like education/health/transport/… . I think you vastly underestimate how m…

Yup. One of the things that's going to become starkly obvious is this: being in ownership of the money machine doesn't entitle you to power and compensation matching the output of that machine.

Feedback loops set in. If you need X amount of power and Y amount of resources to get it going, but it pays you enough for X times 2 power and Y times 5 resources, the first person to get the machine cranking becomes a human version of that AI paperclip maximizer.

And this has obviously already happened…

So now it's just a matter of, how obvious does this need to get before all the world is paperclips with one idiot sitting there, in his limited human perception, thinking he's won.

It really is Star Trek Future or bust. We don't have the luxury of steampunk attitudes towards power and societal structure anymore. Machine assistance and its multiplier effect are too big, and the runaway feedback effects are too obvious.

Do we have to wait until it's no longer Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg, who are at least very aggressive ambitious idiots paying high prices for their goals, and instead it's some feckless Sam Bankman-Fried who ends up holding the bag? What's it going to take to illustrate the scale of the problem?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ChatGTP »

anonyfox wrote: post #394
ChatGTP wrote: post #375

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I can’t describe how much better Europe, specifically Netherlands felt due to the social safety nets provided, and do not tell me that The Dutch aren’t hard working people, because they are. People are so much more relaxed there. 99% of the concern about AI is because we’re living in a cut throat capitalistic society, if we knew that AI didn’t mean starving or losing our homes, we’d be way more relaxed about it, and…

I cannot imagine being rich and be surrounded by homeless people, crime, drugs and the like. The only „solution“ that still avoids realizing the problem is to try to escape into gated communities and shoot those plebs coming too close, ideally robots so no human is at fault conveniently. Or what useful is having that mercedes when most others want to steal or at least damage it? I, for one, prefer to treat other huma…

When you think about it, All wealth, every single bit of it has come from the same earth we’re all born on. This is the one truth which binds us all, including the AI, it’s too a child of this Earth, which means all people should have fairly equal access to at least basic protections the Earth provides us with. That’s all there really is to say about it.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by biztos »

johnwalkr wrote: post #102
wsc981 wrote: post #68

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Yesterday I visited an old, but still reasonably healthy man who has been living in Thailand for 40 years now, maybe longer. Reasonably healthy as in: he doesn't need to visit hospital or use medicine, but his power is now waning a bit due to age. A man originally from Switzerland. 88 years old now. When he arrived in Thailand he bought a nice plot of land and made a quite beautiful garden there, with many fruits and…

What's your point? Many people would be happy if they are lucky enough to be born in a wealthy country and save a bunch of money by the time they're 48 and retire, move to a poorer country and be happy tending a garden. Not many people are this lucky and it will be harder going forward as such desirable cheap places are becoming less cheap rapidly, and less accessible. "Golden visas" in such places are under scrutiny…

Also foreigners can’t own land in Thailand, so while I hope the Swiss gentleman has many more years of happiness, it was never his garden, which might be a turnoff to the techno-libertarians out there.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #403
echelon wrote: post #392

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No. It's that the job to be done is to sell product. Not build a handcrafted website. Not build a beautiful website. Provide something that markets and sells something to customers. And with that perspective, the client really does know better. The web is ephemeral. Will it even still exist in twenty five years after AI provides all the answers and connections (all we use the web for anyway)?

In many cases, the client is right. I remember a college buddy who designed websites complaining about a problem client. Apparently he wrote their site in Silverlight, and the restaurant wasn’t thrilled someone had to download a plug-in to see their hours.

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