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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by somenameforme »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #197
mypastself wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re likely alluding to articles posted on The World Economic Forum’s website. WEF is a group of wealthy, influential individuals whose goals include building what they believe is a more sustainable global economy (and society). Some of their more infamous articles have become memes (“You’ll own nothing and be happy”, “You will eat the bugs”). The kookier versions of anti-WEF arguments veer into conspiracy theory…

I checked out their site, their news section has this link at the moment: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-world-econom... > Own nothing, be happy. You may have heard the phrase. It started life as a screenshot, culled from the internet by an anonymous antisemitic account on the image board 4chan. “Own nothing, be happy – The Jew World Order 2030,″ said the post, which went viral among extremists. Well…

The issue which really started the discussion on this was not the article, which I suspect relatively few read, but the Tweet/Video that the World Economic Forum published. You can find an archive of it here: https://archive.org/details/world-economic-forum-presents-th....

It was universally poorly received, which led to them removing the video/Tweet, and it's now being censored on platforms like YouTube. Their predictions, as stated in the video, to happen by 2030, include:

- You'll own nothing.

- You'll rent everything.

- You'll eat less meat.

- "Western values will have been tested to the breaking point."

The WEF, if you are not aware, is not just some random crazy think-tank. It's a collective that, as a whole, is arguably the single most influential group in existence. Their backing companies [1] include Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Mozilla, WalMart, the banks, and the vast majority of massive companies you can think of. Their individual members/delegates [2] include chief executives, heads of state, and so on. The sort of group that doesn't just make predictions, but makes predictions happen.

That such a group thought society at large would respond positively to that video is simply odd. That they hold the views expressed in that video are something much worse than odd. These people, are at a minimum, unimaginably far out of touch with a society that they overtly aim to puppeteer.

[1] - https://www.weforum.org/partners#A

[2] - https://qz.com/1787762/davos-delegates-are-categorized-from-...

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by brnt »

ngvrnd wrote: post #277
nivertech wrote: post #109

Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

Ah, just run 'em all under a cobalt-60 source. (joke)

Every single strawberry sold commercially in the Netherlands is irradiated. Not for parasites, but fungus AFAIK.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by weberer »

cnity wrote: post #251

It's wild to me to see such an anti-insect eating tirade on HN. Just observe the comments here: almost every highly upvoted comment is anti-insect, and the comments that express any positive sentiment towards eating insect is flooded with angry responses. Bizarre.

It's bizarre to realize that most people don't want to eat bugs? How many people do you see eating bugs on an average day for this to be a shock to you?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by chitowneats »

antirez wrote: post #372
kbenson wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Books have paragraphs, which are newlines and indentations, specifically to help people read in the face of what would otherwise be a wall of text. Being able to read large chunks of text with minimal or no formatting is useful, but so is knowing how to format the text you produce so it's easier for people to consume. We should all strive to be capable of both.

Most books paragraphs are larger than an HN comment without spacing. Since the ability to read books is crucial, it is better to exercise the skill of reading text without spacing than asking commenters to add them.

This supposition that only book-length text blocks deserve appropriate spacing is fascinating to me.

Do you write code this way?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by pessimizer »

JoachimS wrote: post #151
smcl wrote: post #136

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You can get parasites from eating meat too, you know

Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism? The point here is that insects are proposed as a new, high volume source of proteins, as a way to reduce meat consumption. Humans have fairly good understanding of parastites, bacteria etc related to meat. And have established routines for raising animals and preparing meat to minimize the problems. As far as I know, humans have not…

> Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism?

Let's say I propose cars as an alternative to motorcycles, and you respond by citing the enormous numbers of deaths from car accidents. Am I doing a whataboutism if I mention that motorcycles have accidents too?

edit: "whataboutism" is an anticommunist propaganda term meant to defend segregation, but to the extent that it has a meaning, that meaning is: When I mention thing A that you do, it's a distraction when you mention totally unrelated thing B that I do. It's not when I criticize you over doing thing A, and you mention that I also do thing A.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by weberer »

cnity wrote: post #255
teknopaul wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://montanadailygazette.com/2022/07/27/bugs-the-real-rea... The linked article sounds scientific, but the same author wrote this: "they" are trying to poison "us" rant.

It seems that if anybody is trying to change anyone else's eating habits, it's the anti-bug folk in here.

The parent commenter is spreading misinformation. The authors are not the same. They don't even have similar names.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by kbenson »

chitowneats wrote: post #404
antirez wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most books paragraphs are larger than an HN comment without spacing. Since the ability to read books is crucial, it is better to exercise the skill of reading text without spacing than asking commenters to add them.

This supposition that only book-length text blocks deserve appropriate spacing is fascinating to me. Do you write code this way?

lol, that's one of the easier things to check on the internet, actually, given who you're asking. ;)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

drjasonharrison wrote: post #300
comradesmith wrote: post #134

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Now my mind is wondering if insects could be a source and transmitter of prion diseases. Perhaps the proteins in bugs don’t line up with humans though.

This might explain how wild deer develop prion diseases. My understanding is that they aren't eating the nervous tissues of other animals but perhaps an insect, parasite, or other lifeform is providing the infection.

Deer will eat small animals.

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Post by shaburn »

eru wrote: post #10
shaburn wrote: post #9

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I think the brakes should be slammed until that is answered. Unless we want another pandemic. Given the rate of mutation and transmission in bugs with natural gestation and migration, the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential without a similar dataset in other human food sources.

> [...] the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential [...] What does that even mean? Do you want to say that the probability is high?

The new, certainly exponential variable, is the viral media growth in popularity of eating bugs. Viral(exponential) adoption of consuming bugs will increase the risk of (apparently already great) transmission of deadly diseases as an increasing rate.

This very conversation stands as of evidence of exponential adoption of disease transmission from bug consumption due to online media growth on the subject.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

failrate wrote: post #250
hnbad wrote: post #180

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I'm intrigued that you can recognize fried or minced pork by smell and distinguish it from beef or poultry by smell alone. I know a lot of people have an aversion to mutton as it can have a very gamey aroma to it, but I wasn't aware people perceive pork as similarly intense.

My wife has a powerful sense of smell, and she vociferously complains about the odor of pork, which smells no different to me than any other meat.

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