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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by kbenson »

antirez wrote: post #353
Shindi wrote: post #329

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I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

Books have paragraphs, which are newlines and indentations, specifically to help people read in the face of what would otherwise be a wall of text.

Being able to read large chunks of text with minimal or no formatting is useful, but so is knowing how to format the text you produce so it's easier for people to consume. We should all strive to be capable of both.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by kevinmchugh »

thrwy_918 wrote: post #308
TuringTest wrote: post #162

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There are two main reasons why religious books of law ban certain behaviors: - to encode social and higienic rules as understood at the time - to signal heressy, prohibiting a common practice carried out by heretics (double points if it is a practice central to those heretical beliefs). For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiti…

> For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiting deseases if mishandled Is pork any more prone to spoilage, or spoilage-related health risks, than other meats? My understanding is that the health risks from pork relate mainly to the transmission of disease and parasites in undercooked pork, not spoilage.

Re:spoilage Even if there's nothing specific to pork, the size of the animal may present that challenge. it's harder to time the slaughter and butchery if a larger animal. If you've been raising an animal for a year, you're going to want to eat all the meat. So you need to save it for celebrations, or barter, or eat meat that's been sitting around. Pigs are pretty big, assuming all domesticated animals have increased in size roughly equally.

But the kosher prohibition isn't "don't eat meat slaughtered a week ago", which would be easy, it's about cloven hooves.

The other hypothesis I've seen put out there is that viruses tend to have an easy time jumping from (living) pigs to humans. We think of the flu as relatively minor now but without clean water it would be a big deal.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by VBprogrammer »

prometheus76 wrote: post #324
VBprogrammer wrote: post #117

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I don't think taboos are in anyway useful in determining health implications. For example, are dogs or horses in any way materially worse than cows or sheep for people to eat? Why are the French happy to eat frogs and snails? I'm reasonably certain the idea of certain food being taboo is almost completely due to cultural norms.

Dogs and horses are not ruminants, therefore they are more likely to carry parasites that are harmful to humans. Cows and sheep are both ruminants. So yes, there is a difference beyond cultural preferences. Or I should say, cultural preferences are not just arbitrary.

Pigs and chickens are also not ruminants and are eaten almost as widely as cows and sheep.

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Post by kipchak »

automatic6131 wrote: post #166
baxtr wrote: post #107

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Any ideas about how to achieve that? An n-child policy? Forced sterilization? Property size limits? Maybe you'll just be kind and suggest punitive taxes.

"U.S. Population Growth and Family Planning: A Review of the Literature" is still the best collection of potential methods, as far as I know despite it's age.

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Post by kazinator »

zajio1am wrote: post #359
antirez wrote: post #353

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No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

Most books have reasonably-sized paragraphs.

I just picked a book at random: Moby Dick, by Herman Melville. First thing that popped into my head. Scanning through the first chapter (thanks to Project Gutenberg) I easily found a paragraph that looks larger than the discussed comment, starting with "Lord save me, thinks I". Indeed has 520 words, which is almost twice the comment's 277. I'm with Antirez here: dumb Americans who can't read and all that.

Though anyone reading using a wide browser window on a desktop will be facing long lines; don't blame the big paragraph for poor readability due to line length.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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trinachi wrote: post #253
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #195

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I thought the generally accepted science was that humans can learn disgust reactions socially, so that they are more adaptable on a non-evolutionary timescale. > The disgust system is a psychological mechanism for producing pathogen avoidant behaviour [10–12]. In previous work, we have stressed the universality of disgust, showing that there is much that is similar about disgust responses between animals and humans,…

There's a strong cultural component when it comes to disgust. People in many parts of the world eat insects regularly as a part of their standard diets. In the US, most people don't think of honey or lobster (aquatic arthropod) or carmine (red food coloring) as "insect food" but these items most definitely fit in that category and are commonly consumed. In the past, people in the west found yogurt, sushi, and lobster…

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by [deleted] »

antirez wrote: post #353
Shindi wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by bbkane »

antirez wrote: post #353
Shindi wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

Cultural issues are as real as any other issues...

Isn't it much easier to make an easy neutral change to your writing that will be positive for some readers than to assert their culture should learn to read better?

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Post by dllthomas »

mrguyorama wrote: post #309
dllthomas wrote: post #39

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> It troubles me that our specific words are getting watered down by pop usage This is not a new phenomenon; I think we've been able to cope in the past by either clarifying precision by context or adopting new words with the precision we need until they get watered down as well. > literally is commonly used to mean not literally I realize at least one dictionary disagrees with me, but I think that's a mistaken analy…

Also the "literally" one is way older than people realize, being from at least the 19th century https://www.dictionary.com/e/figuratively-literally/

Right, basically from the very beginning, which IMO supports my position that it's an ordinary use of the same meaning of the word rather than a change in the meaning of the word.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by mrguyorama »

adrianN wrote: post #334
mrguyorama wrote: post #318

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What's the solution to the "an antenna/leg is stuck in my teeth" problem that I experienced when I ate crickets? The actual bug part was inoffensive, lightly dusted with salt, and had a satisfying crunch, but the legs and antenna stick to your mouth like a hair and make it hard to eat. As others have stated, 2 billion people eat insects, surely not all of them eat legged insects, but I wonder how the ones that do dea…

I assume the same strategy that works for popcorn parts stuck between your teeth also works for insect parts.

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