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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by saghm »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #282
bryan0 wrote: post #193

> You cannot possibly be this dense. Who is the dense one here? You just insulted a person who has to look at a million of these, and had absolutely nothing to do with the misclassification, and then you’re surprised when they rejected your appeal. Remember there are actual people reading your words (at least for now)

Yeah, heaven forbid you follow you company's policies as outlined for the appeal process, better to power-trip because someone who was banned from the platform, the harshest punishment your company has, is fully-expectedly-vocal about being mistreated.

Idk, this feels like a bit of a double standard. Either being mistreated justifies bad behavior, or it doesn't. If it justifies insulting a customer service rep who didn't personally ban you in the first place, then that rep upholding your ban due to being unnecessarily aggressive is justified too.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by lapcat »

vorticalbox wrote: post #398
lapcat wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you judge what's work and what's not work? For many people, such as the self-employed, their online presence is part of their brand, and Twitter is professional networking. This applies to both Craig and myself.

I would likily ask myself if this post is likily to effect my online presence and if the answer to that question is anything but a sound no then I wouldn't post it. That said my online presence isn't part of my professional life. So my opinion probably isn't worth much.

To be honest, your reply came off as very condescending.

I don't know how anyone could predict that Twitter's crazy algorithm would flag that tweet, any more than they could predict that Twitter's crazy algorithm would flag a video of a cat game. It's all too easy to sit in judgment in hindsight, given the fact that Twitter's crazy algorithm did flag the tweet. But nobody really knows how it works with foresight.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by hwillis »

MegaButts wrote: post #384
cgriswald wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

> You cannot possible be this dense. This is your idea of verbal abuse? Obviously this is subjective, but I would laugh at you if you said this to me - like literally laugh in your face. No, at some point you have to say the problem is being overly sensitive towards anyone complaining about your fuckup. The guy is right, and they fucked up - he shouldn't have to bend over backwards because they're fucking babies. May…

Right... do you yell at waiters and phone support people too? You're doing that to someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the problem you are having, is probably often harrassed by people like you, and who are at literally the lowest rung on the ladder. You're making people's day worse for absolutely no reason except that you can't make yourself feel better without being obnoxious to someone else.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by pdpi »

LightHugger wrote: post #389
cgriswald wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

I always find it funny when people get up in arms about "verbal abuse" and somehow don't care about the abuse inherent in the situation. Somehow the perpetuation of the abuse is justified by someone having an imperfect response, dear god. But i suppose you view him as an uppity supplicant who offended the king. Therefore he's a jerk and deserves it, according to you? This is not a view of things that actually solves…

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Twitter banning him for "Revenge Porn" over a video of Stray is really not a great look, and the ban should've been immediately reversed on appeal. Him being abusive to the moderation team (who likelier than not have nothing to do with the team that built the AI moderation system) is completely uncalled for, though, and deserves punishment

Funnily enough, what I think is the right outcome here would come across as incredibly petty: Appeals process is successful, and the ban over literal cat video is reversed; however, there is now a new ban due to abuse of the moderation team, which will have its own appeals process.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by soraminazuki »

pvg wrote: post #396
soraminazuki wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me? That is exactly what Twitter accused the author of doing. The policy which Twitter referred to according to the article has the words “Non-consensual nudity policy” written in huge letters [1]. Do those words mean something other than revenge porn? [1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/intimate-medi...

They sent him an automated private message misidentifying one of his videos. This is obviously lame and annoying but no, he was not accused of a crime he did not commit or have to escape from a military stockade into the Los Angeles underground.

So if I send you an automated message saying that you have done something illegal, you’d be fine with that? That’s not accusing you of a crime? That’s absurd.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by MegaButts »

hwillis wrote: post #403
MegaButts wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You cannot possible be this dense. This is your idea of verbal abuse? Obviously this is subjective, but I would laugh at you if you said this to me - like literally laugh in your face. No, at some point you have to say the problem is being overly sensitive towards anyone complaining about your fuckup. The guy is right, and they fucked up - he shouldn't have to bend over backwards because they're fucking babies. May…

Right... do you yell at waiters and phone support people too? You're doing that to someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the problem you are having, is probably often harrassed by people like you, and who are at literally the lowest rung on the ladder. You're making people's day worse for absolutely no reason except that you can't make yourself feel better without being obnoxious to someone else.

This has nothing to do with making people feel better. It's about holding twitter accountable to their own policies. What do you suggest I do if not use their own support system? The next step is to blast social media.

"You cannot possibly be this dense" is referring to whoever is making the decision. If the support team has the ability to overturn this decision, and they maintain the decision, then they are indeed the problem and deserving of far more abuse than that. If they are unable to change the decision then why do they care if I insult their company policy, especially since they hopefully have the autonomy to recognize the stupidity of it? They should be able to laugh about how dumb it is too.

You are asking me to be civil with twitter when they are not being civil themselves. I have no respect for hypocrites.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by dane-pgp »

q-big wrote: post #393
bratbag wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you know what a democratic vote is.

"Democratic vote" does not only mean "put ballot paper into ballot box". You can also vote with your feet.

Perhaps we need the word "agorocracy" to describe "rule by markets".

That's not quite what you're proposing, since you presumably only want the market to rule over Twitter and not over the rest of society, but unfortunately the latter scenario is closer to reality than most would like.

In fact, suggesting that having a few large social media companies to choose between constitutes a free market (despite the high switching costs and non-interoperable products) is as misleading as thinking that the First Past The Post voting system (and weak campaign finance laws) provides representative democracy.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by sillysaurusx »

pvg wrote: post #396
soraminazuki wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me? That is exactly what Twitter accused the author of doing. The policy which Twitter referred to according to the article has the words “Non-consensual nudity policy” written in huge letters [1]. Do those words mean something other than revenge porn? [1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/intimate-medi...

They sent him an automated private message misidentifying one of his videos. This is obviously lame and annoying but no, he was not accused of a crime he did not commit or have to escape from a military stockade into the Los Angeles underground.

As a fly on the wall, I think you’re both right! Both of your points are good, and aren’t mutually exclusive at all.

TikTok sends automated messages all the time accusing people of ridiculous things (mostly during livestreams). I bet if you were subjected to that on a regular basis, you might feel a little differently.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by rpdillon »

pvg wrote: post #396
soraminazuki wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me? That is exactly what Twitter accused the author of doing. The policy which Twitter referred to according to the article has the words “Non-consensual nudity policy” written in huge letters [1]. Do those words mean something other than revenge porn? [1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/intimate-medi...

They sent him an automated private message misidentifying one of his videos. This is obviously lame and annoying but no, he was not accused of a crime he did not commit or have to escape from a military stockade into the Los Angeles underground.

The flagged post was reviewed by two humans. I think you're overemphasizing the 'automated' aspect here, which is just an implementation detail AFAICT. Posting revenge porn is a crime, though I agree Twitter doesn't seem to be calling the cops. If they did, I don't think the evidence would be compelling enough to even bring charges, much less a conviction. But the account stays suspended regardless.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by gs17 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #25

How long until people start selling DRM technology that purposely prevents people from sharing clips of games on Twitter and Facebook by embedding adversarial GAN attacks to trick the AI into thinking that they contain illegal content.

I couldn't see that having any demand from game companies. They generally want you to share gameplay footage so other people will see it and want to play too, even preventing spoilers isn't worth burning your customers like that. But I could see it getting demand from people who want to use it as a weapon.
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