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The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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I don't know if it was just propaganda, but I saw several videos of grain being looted by Russian troops and supposedly brought back to Russia. Even if that's not the case, a live war has to decrease productivity immensely.

> videos... grain being looted by Russian troops... Oh, that's new. How exactly do they do that?

Load it onto trucks and drive home.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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This article is full of unsubstantiated claims and generalities. Not to mention plenty of left-wing talking points. Global warmi--oops! I mean "climate change", etc, etc.

It seems like the Economist is running point for the current administration's intentional food crisis. I wonder what freedoms we're now supposed to give up to the government so they can save us from the scary food monster?

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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The article actually has four solutions at the bottom. Compared to the severity of the problem, all four solutions are surprisingly simple. Not necessarily easy, but simple and straightforward. 1. Stop using so much corn to make ethanol. 2. Stop using so much seed oil to make biodiesel. 3. Stop feeding so much food to livestock. Bonus: reducing the livestock population provides short term calories! 4. Break the Black…

The third solution doesn’t make much sense since livestock consumption is mostly made up of inedible foods that we can’t eat like husks, stems, leaves, etc. of plants. Livestock is effective for up-cycling foods we can’t digest and turning it into foods that we can such as meat and dairy. Also there is a lot of food waste in the US. Good food that is suitable for livestock…

There is so much livestock that while most livestock consumption is inedible foods, the rest is large reason for food shortage. The amount of land they consume takes land from grains.

>grain accounts for 13% of cattle dry feed. In 2021 China imported 28m tonnes of corn to feed its pigs,

The amount of livestock is ridiculous. 63% of mammal biomass is lifestock, 35% humans. Wild mammals are insignificant.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Iunno, I really don’t do anything to the apple tree other than trim branches (which I sell or give away to bbqers depending on my mood). Every couple years it yields a huge crop (and some years gets completely defoliated by disease, but I’m lazy and just let nature take its course). People love non-commercial applewood.

What!? Who's buying apple tree branches off you? I've chucked loads out in recent years.

The 1-2year shoots/sticks I usually give away for free. $5/bucket for the thicker pieces. I’ll get a handful of interested people nearly instantly.

Not easy in the city to get cheap fruitwood that’s never been sprayed with anything.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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post #402

This article is full of unsubstantiated claims and generalities. Not to mention plenty of left-wing talking points. Global warmi--oops! I mean "climate change", etc, etc. It seems like the Economist is running point for the current administration's intentional food crisis. I wonder what freedoms we're now supposed to give up to the government so they can save us from the scary food monster?

Climate change is not a "left-wing talking point" it is a fact. And it's no longer called "global warming" because some places will experience colder weather than they are used to due to disturbed weather patterns, and conspiracy theorists will jump on the chance to "disprove" it.

But make no mistake, the earth is warming, at a much more rapid pace than ever before, and it is a man-made change.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Soooooooo "Roughage Products" which is fiber, that humans also need to eat BTW, is usually something like 25% of pelleted food. The main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans and between 6% to 15% protein, it's like 25% to 30% depending on the pelleted food. Pound by pound going by the estimates that "eat cow advocates" use you need 12 pounds of food per pound of beef produced, if half of that i…

> In San Francisco right now there's no "entire life on farm" meat on the market. If I want to eat your "ideal cow" that eats _mostly_ inedible foods I have to buy land and raise it myself or get it alive from a farm. It's not a product one buys for human consumption. Cows in the US eat mostly human edible foods. Search for "100% grass fed beef". There are many ranches that sell it around the country, even in Califor…

Can it be fixed and meet all the demand for beef today? And without making people poor in the process?

Perhaps the solution is a mix of both: eat less meat and only eat sustainably raise meat.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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post #402

This article is full of unsubstantiated claims and generalities. Not to mention plenty of left-wing talking points. Global warmi--oops! I mean "climate change", etc, etc. It seems like the Economist is running point for the current administration's intentional food crisis. I wonder what freedoms we're now supposed to give up to the government so they can save us from the scary food monster?

Climate change is not a "left-wing talking point" it is a fact. And it's no longer called "global warming" because some places will experience colder weather than they are used to due to disturbed weather patterns, and conspiracy theorists will jump on the chance to "disprove" it. But make no mistake, the earth is warming, at a much more rapid pace than ever before, and it is a man-made change.

> it is a man-made change

Can you substantiate that claim with verifiable evidence?

New England used to be under a 10-mile thick ice sheet during the last ice age. I think the Earth has been warming for a very long time.

But this isn't only about the climate. The article also mentions COVID-19 shut downs which were mostly pushed by the left. The IMF is mentioned as some sort of savior and is definitely saturated with left wing ideology.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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The third solution doesn’t make much sense since livestock consumption is mostly made up of inedible foods that we can’t eat like husks, stems, leaves, etc. of plants. Livestock is effective for up-cycling foods we can’t digest and turning it into foods that we can such as meat and dairy. Also there is a lot of food waste in the US. Good food that is suitable for livestock…

Soooooooo "Roughage Products" which is fiber, that humans also need to eat BTW, is usually something like 25% of pelleted food. The main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans and between 6% to 15% protein, it's like 25% to 30% depending on the pelleted food. Pound by pound going by the estimates that "eat cow advocates" use you need 12 pounds of food per pound of beef produced, if half of that i…

https://www.markegardfamily.com/ does

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Re 4., that's doable if the West renounces some of its existing economic sanctions against Russia, the Russians themselves have said as much recently. It probably won't happen because the West doesn't like to see itself as being involved in the war (in a way similar to what Russia thinks about itself) and will try to resort to "Russia should unlock the blockade purely on humanitarian grounds!", which, of course, is t…

What is "the west" exactly? Japan? New Zealand? Finland? Tunisia? A better term would be liberal democracies, but that wouldn't have quite the same "both sides are the same" ring to it, would it? Russia isn't waging an economic war against anyone. A dictator tried to invade his democratic neighbour, he failed, and now the other democraties are cutting him out of their club

Tunisia is a) dependent on Russian and Ukrainian wheat b) about to strike itself off the democracy list

As a friend of mine told NPR: “It’s not that Tunisia’s democracy is threatened. Tunisia’s democracy has been shot in the head.”

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