The bottom is dropping out of Netflix • Hacker News Board

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by dml2135 » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

Stunting wrote: post #301

CuriouslyC wrote: post #269

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It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement, and it's an act of protest. I paid for Netflix for years when the streaming catalog was good, but now the streaming video market feels like an anti-consumer predatory cash grab.

It's stealing, specifically from myself and others in my industry that you haven't heard of that. Making movies would be impossible to be without your - Lesser Known actors - Assistant Directors - Stunt Coordinators - 2nd Unit Directors - Stunt Performers and I'm sure there are others. Residuals factor into our income, allow us to qualify for health insurance, empower our unions, and provide a stable income to contin…

But... you don't own the copyright to the movie. The studio does. You were paid a wage for a job.

You can accuse the pirates of limiting your potential for future earnings, but that is not the same as stealing from you.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

ashayh wrote: post #352

Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

| You're going to end up with shows that are AI generated CGI sponsored by Mt. Dew and Chevy trucks. As opposed to movies/shows already high on CGI with poor and rehashed storylines, and whitewashed to cater to CCP censorship?

Yes. It will get worse. Support the type of content you want and you'll see more.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by noncoml » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

Damogran6 wrote: post #254

e40 wrote: post #231

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There were a few years were I literally stopped all torrenting. Netflix and Amazon had everything I wanted. Sure, there were a few things that didn't exist, but I was too lazy to go after that minor amount of content. I was fully legal and paying for everything. I was fine with it. Then, the great splintering happened. I currently pay for 5 services, but that doesn't cover even 1/2 of what I want to watch. All the co…

In my case, it's where they wrapped up the long-tail movies. Want to watch Airplane!....$3 rental. Spaceballs? $3 rental Cannonball Run? $3 I am not going to pay to rent stuff I used to be able to encounter for free by surfing channels...well, on top of my dish/cable bill

I am fine with renting and paying. But the arbitrarily stupid rule “you have 48 hours to finish once you started” is what stops me from “renting” any lure.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

threwsacompany wrote: post #400

Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

And you are stealing people's attention spans. Which is more criminal?!

:D

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by ncallaway » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #59

glenjamin wrote: post #25

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The graph in your link appears to show an operating profit of over $6 billion. What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem? Because it is a problem. Firstly, it's a problem because stock prices are a measure of predicted future value. The profit today is mostly irrelevant. In order to make a profit on shares the business has to be in a position to do better in the future. If it doesn't then people won't believe it'll do better even far…

> That means investors can't make a profit.

That's not quite true. It means investors can't plan to make a profit by selling future shares based on the price growth beating inflation.

But...investors can still make a profit from dividends. There are plenty of large companies that are much less growth focused, and much more dividend focused.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by expensive_news » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

californical wrote: post #314

Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

Yes, obviously. I really don’t see how one could possibly sympathize with this argument. Say I go to a bakery and I only “sort of” want a cookie. I’m not hungry enough to pay for it, so I just take it, and claim “I’m not actually stealing because I wasn’t going to pay for it anyway“.

You could claim it’s different with digital goods, but it’s not. Money still went into making that good (whether that’s software or a movie or even just a picture) and you’re still getting the benefits of owning that good without paying for it. Put another way, how does not caring enough about something entitle you to ownership?

So you are absolutely stealing whether you would “have paid for it“ or not.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by boringg » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #391

hardwaregeek wrote: post #268

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I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

Or you could just open Tor browser, search the pirate bay and download stuff with a bittorrent client. That's easy.

Yeah but then your tagged by your host country for using Tor.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by JamesBarney » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

Stunting wrote: post #344

californical wrote: post #314

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Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

Yes it is really stealing. You want something. You don't want to pay for it. You take it without paying. That's stealing. If you really truly didn't want to watch it, you wouldn't steal it.

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. If someone steals my car I no longer have my car. If someone copies my car my car loses values because there is now one extra copy of my car floating around.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Mongo_Mak » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

They raised prices.

They've reduced content.

They consider emplacing password locks for their users.

These things say to me "we no longer want your business and will blame our decline on what YOU'RE doing rather than our policies that aren't keeping up with the real world."

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by noncoml » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

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