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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

You could really think of it starting in March 2023.

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

The Hill article[1] says it won't go into effect until November 20, 2023. > The proposal would not take effect until Nov. 20, 2023, to give airlines and other transportation industries more time to adjust to the change. But we switch back to standard time on November 5, 2023. Just to get two weeks of that until we switch back to summer time permanently? [1] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/598314-senate-unanimousl…

The bill doesn't appear to have an effective date: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623...

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I really don't like that they picked permanent DST.

Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops?

It's still better than resetting the clocks. But I really they should have chosen standard time.

Also, this means nothing unless passed by congress as well.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Watching Americans freak out about post-8AM sunrises is surreal to me. The sun doesn't rise until 8:45 during the darkest times of the year here in the Netherlands and its really not much of an issue. Whether standard time or summer time is the better choice here is something I hold no opinion on, but the sheer hysteria some people here express is very overblown.

Not really a fair comparison, given that the Netherlands's latitude would put it in the Hudson Bay were it to be in North America. There are no major North American cities as far north as Amsterdam besides Anchorage.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…

Considering how frequently time zones around the world change, any OS or software that doesn't auto update them from a standard list at this point deserves to break.

Sure, but I'd imagine on lots of threads discussing exploits, there are a lot of experts commenting, "Considering how frequently systems are exploited, any system that doesn't require Internet functionality shouldn't be on the Internet".

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

Yes, more people die in the few days after the short night in the spring, but then there is a lower average mortality in the few days after that, and overall there is no net difference. Likewise in the fall, there is a slight dip in the day or two after the long night, but it washes out over the next week.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

I don’t get this at all. Why would people want the sun to go down in the afternoon? In my time zone it sets at 4:30 part of the year! That’s awful, and sunrise is at around 7:00am. We have way more sun in the morning.

Because it make zero sense for everyone to have to get up an hour earlier. And it makes no sense for kids to stand around in the dark at freezing cold bus stops every morning.
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