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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Spectre and meltdown aren’t often used because of the mitigations in modern operating systems. The attacks are complex and the chance of finding a vulnerable machine is low. But if instead windows users were all vulnerable, you bet all sorts of scammy websites would go after these vulnerabilities. And the attacks are really bad - they can read arbitrary memory. What are the chances another browser tab has a bank webs…

> And the attacks are really bad - they can read arbitrary memory. But—and please tell me if I’m just totally wrong about this—my understanding was they can read random memory, right? The attacker can’t control what they get. Out of the gigabytes of memory on a system, I’d expect only a handful of bytes to be actually valuable, and only then if certain combinations can be retrieved together.

The term “Random memory access” is a horribly confusing misnomer from before I was born. It’s used as a contrast with sequential memory access, to mean memory can be accessed in any arbitrary order.

My understanding is that these vulnerabilities allow reading the memory at arbitrary mapped pointers, from the perspective of the CPU, in kernel or user space. So you could use the kernel’s data structures to figure out what other programs are mapped, and where, and go read their memory.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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That depends. Many developers are now using Electron, .NET and other tech to develop software. Those are heavy and do not like old computers with limited resources." My desktop products are made in Delphi (compiles to native code) and are very responsive and frugal on resources. Run fine on very old hardware. Desktop products done in C++ would be even better but I am not masochistic enough to develop GUI in C++. At l…

Is performance really comparable between .Net and Electron now? Neither is my specialty but anecdotally I see far more criticism of Electron for its slowness.

In theory .NET should be "better". In practice this really depends on way too many factors including how experienced were the programmers who implemented the software. In any way I am not an expert in this area.

I do use VS code as for some tasks there is no viable alternative for me and since my development workstation is a monster it runs fine. My own desktop apps however are native and I test them on really shitty hardware where one would not dream of running VS Code / Slack / whatever.

For fun I've compiled my main desktop product to 32 bit and it runs on a friggin old netbook just fine. Also from my point of view speed of development is not any slower when developing native applications. So unless client specifically requires it or I am doing some front end in browser my desktop apps are all native and coded in Delphi/Lazarus and my backends are C++.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Run old technology with old software. That argument would be more convincing if Microsoft hadn't systematically pushed the owners of older PCs to update them to run Windows 10. How many millions of PCs dating from the early to mid 2010s are now stuck with the results despite their hardware still working normally?

I still can't believe they did that. Such disregard for the user

The same users who tried to keep Windows XP forever. Microsoft got burned once after maintaining one version well beyond its due date, and decided to go to the other extreme.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes. Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and Mac…

Right? I opened a Windows XP VM inside my 10 box a bit ago to play an old game, and oh boy was that incredibly snappy compared to what we have now. Sure, it's running in anachronistic hardware, but where did we go wrong? 3.1 was before my time, but I can imagine.

I opened XP on my old 900 mhz pentium 3, and it was just as snappy as you describe yours.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Being blunt: you're a terrible developer if you think like that. What the heck does it matter if 5400 RPM disks are old technology or not?? Do you have any actual reason that your program runs slowly on such hardware? It's very arrogant to assume that since you can afford to upgrade to the latest technologies, then everyone who can't should be left behind. There are probably billions of people using spinning rust in…

(Not the OP) The issue is that the speed -characteristics- are so very different between HDDs and SSDs. Not just the raw speed. Decent performance of anything with IO on an HDD requires that the IO is specifically structured to minimize seeks and maximize sequential access. That takes time and skill. If very few modern machines don’t have an SSD then it is understandable to simply skip this difficulty. That time and…

Random access on SSDs is still slower than sequential access though, even if not as slow as on HDDs - there is more than seeking that comes into play.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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I don't understand this argument, could you explain why modern software cannot run on old hardware? It sounds like it's justifying planned obsolescence.

That depends. Many developers are now using Electron, .NET and other tech to develop software. Those are heavy and do not like old computers with limited resources." My desktop products are made in Delphi (compiles to native code) and are very responsive and frugal on resources. Run fine on very old hardware. Desktop products done in C++ would be even better but I am not masochistic enough to develop GUI in C++. At l…

I doubt you'll see any performance difference between Delphi and C++ (even with the most optimizing C++ compilers) outside of heavy number crunching anyway.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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4GB is actually pretty common for "budget" laptops in india. Check out Amazon.in and search for laptops. Anything above 40,000 inr is in the higher than budget, cheap range. For the past few years, there has been a trend of buying refurbished devices. Laptops and desktops. I bought a Dell e7440 with I7 5th gen I think and 4GB RAM. For 22,000 bucks. I had to upgrade to 8 gigs myself but 4 is pretty standard here. Oh,…

Apart from purchasing power, laptops in India are expensive because of high levels of tax (28% GST I think, which would be higher than what Sweden charges). I'm not sure if import duties apply on top of this as well. The reality is that any laptop with 4GB RAM and a 5400rpm hard drive and running a modern OS won't give a great user experience. ChromeOS on Chromebooks could be an exception, but even cheap Chromebooks…

nah. local GST is only 18% but import duties are added on top which are not passed down.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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I still can't believe they did that. Such disregard for the user

The same users who tried to keep Windows XP forever. Microsoft got burned once after maintaining one version well beyond its due date, and decided to go to the other extreme.

In my experience, it wasn't that people wanted to keep XP forever, it was that Vista was worse. When 7 arrived, the number of XP holdouts fell quickly.

The trouble with 7 in that situation is that either 8.1 or 10 needed to be the next good version, but they weren't. Do you know anyone who actually wants their system to change its UI every six months? Or to install updates whether they agree with them or not, even though those updates can have serious consequences if they go wrong and cause inconvenience even if they work? Or who likes having their own computer phoning home without their consent? Or having ads inserted into their daily user experience?

If Microsoft was producing an operating system people actually wanted, they wouldn't need to push dodgy updates to get people to use it.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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The system does it automatically and has since at least Vista, probably XP. Furthermore, there's no benefit (and in fact active harm) to defragging an SSD.

He talks about HD's, on Windows 10 you cant de-frag ssd's just optimize, aka trim. But de-frag HD's is often needed on windows in certain work scenarios.

Windows 10, just like Windows 8 and 7, automatically defragments spinning drives once a week. You never need to manually do it.
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