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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by michelb »

fangorn wrote: post #356
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The main reason to run hackintosh as far as I know is to write software for macOS or iOS. I suspect a lot of Hackintoshes users do so because they like using macOS day-to-day, but don't see anything appealing in Apple's hardware lineup. I'm one of them.

Won't Apple silicon eradicate hackintoshes eventually? I mean, you won't be able to just buy Apple's components and assemble a computer. If you were, it's really just a Mac, isn't it? I imagine they'll support x86_64 based systems for a few more years, but there won't be new drivers or support for new cpus, etc. I wonder if it occurred to someone at Apple, if it's somewhat an added benefit to them.

I'm on my second hackintosh now, and while setup is now easier, I still need to be careful with what I buy/update/upgrade. Right now, I'm getting way more bang for my buck. (faster cpu, faster gpu, normal priced ram+storage)

With apple silicon, I hope they release a decent 'mac pro' or something that is good enough for me. Prices won't go down obviously, so here's hoping we can at least install third-party ram + storage.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by aspyct »

aruggirello wrote: post #379
msie wrote: post #252

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How about Windows? Did someone force you to buy a computer to develop for it?

You can pretty much develop software for Windows on other platforms too. Cross compilation is supported in several languages, and when you can't - you can usually compile stuff under Wine, or even ReactOS. So while obviously you need a computer, you don't strictly need Windows.

Yes you do need Windows. Wine is great, but there's no way I'll publicly release a windows application that hasn't been tested on an actual windows install.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by foldr »

endgame wrote: post #250
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #232

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> Do you seriously trust that not to change? No, I don't. On the Mac platform, Apple has consistently elected to give users ultimate control. They could have a change of heart some day, but so could Intel, Microsoft, or any other vendor.

The same Apple that continually locks down / harder and harder with each OS release, and makes developers jump through more and more hoops?

This is mostly just Apple fixing the bonkers default security settings of a unix desktop. As devs we're used to the idea that, e.g., any app we run should be able to modify any files that belong to us, regardless of whether we asked it to. But that's actually an insanely lax security model.

It's honestly not hard to disable any security settings that are getting in the way. I run whatever software I like on my Mac, no problems.

People have been talking about how Apple were going to lock down Mac OS "real soon now" for at least a decade. There's no real indication that it's ever going to happen.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by Aeronwen »

sbuk wrote: post #384
cookiengineer wrote: post #316

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Yes, we are talking about that Apple which integrated soft fuses that can be triggered remotely, and will brick your device physically. We are talking about that Apple which sued a recycling vendor in Canada because they recycled devices instead of trashing them. We are talking about that Apple which bribed judges in the US to deny its endusers the right to repair. We are talking about that Apple which removed even t…

>Yes, we are talking about that Apple which integrated soft fuses that can be triggered remotely, and will brick your device physically. Care to expand on that? > We are talking about that Apple which sued a recycling vendor in Canada because they recycled devices instead of trashing them. That's incorrect. They sued the company because they were supposed to take the devices apart and recycle/recover the parts. Not r…

>That's incorrect. They sued the company because they were supposed to take the devices apart and recycle/recover the parts. Not resell them as manufacturer refurbished.

While they ended up on the market as refurbished, (not necessarily manufacturer refurbished) the devices were sold to refurbishers, who would have treated them as any other device they received for refurbishing.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by higerordermap »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #353
eyelidlessness wrote: post #166

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Lol they highlighted running Linux in the first announcement of the ISA switch , they see no threat in Linux at all. Their business model would need to change dramatically for that to happen. They’re a hardware company that makes the hardware more attractive with software, service and device integration. Their software restrictions are part of the value proposition, but anyone fully ejecting from that would be on the…

> they see no threat in Linux at all Imagine thinking macOS is threatened by Linux. Guys like this will never understand the appeal of the Apple ecosystem, it is beyond their comprehension. There are some good reasons to run Linux, but shouldn't you at least be capable of seeing why Apple makes the kind of money they do, beyond the "well those customers must obviously be stupid and less enlightened than myself, a tru…

> "well those customers must obviously be stupid and less enlightened than myself, a true warrior of the Free Software tribe"

Sort of.

For most MacBook users, a chromebook will be more sensible choice.

And iphones sell because fashion.

iOS is locked down, and Mac app Store is also a candy shop. Because there are stupid people to spend money on shit mobile games, apple makes quite a lot of money.

And they do lot of deceitful marketing. Apple software is getting shit year by year.

Most people buy apple because "brand", and get accustomed to it and don't like slightest change.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by _ph_ »

beshrkayali wrote: post #395

Yes. Because it'd be good to provide an alternative. Yes it's locked platform, but performance/price wise it'll be interesting to see what happens, and it's unlikely that we'll have an open alternative to it soon. People replying "no" seem to be doing so for ideological reasons with no regard to practicality. Obviously it'd be better if it was an open platform, but it isn't, and that's fine. Whatever you think of App…

Having this project funded also would send a signal to Apple, that there is at least a group of people willing to put some of their money onto having Linux on their hardware and that there is interest, if they would give some support to the Linux project.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by rimliu »

squarefoot wrote: post #94

No, I wouldn't, not even if I could print billions in a snap. I'd rather help funding the port to a 10 times slower but open platform, rather to a technically superior but proprietary close one whose owner would make it incompatible two seconds after they would smell competition from Linux in any of their core business fields. No thanks, I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness, n…

    > a 10 times slower but open platform
With the mindset like this they will never smell any competition from Linux.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by user-the-name »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #204
mch82 wrote: post #183

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I don’t understand why people complain instead of taking FOSS they like, packaging it as an app, distributing it on the App Store & publishing the source. Does Apple prohibit that? I remember the days of very little Apple compatible software on the shelf at retailers, and no games. I was probably one of the first students to use a MacBook with OSX for CSCI 101 because many classes required Windows. That was lack of f…

> I don’t understand why people complain instead of taking FOSS they like, packaging it as an app, distributing it on the App Store & publishing the source. Does Apple prohibit that? Apple does not, but the GPL does.

Note that this applies only if you are using GPL software owned by other people.

If you write entirely your own code, and include only more freely licensed dependencies, you can release your own code under the GPL and still distribute it on the App Store.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by user-the-name »

dreamer_ wrote: post #393
herpderperator wrote: post #374

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This is really a non-issue and easy to get around. You can easily install the GNU utilities which take precedence in your PATH. I installed them all with Homebrew in a few minutes, including bash5. You can follow this guide[0] as a start. [0] https://gist.github.com/skyzyx/3438280b18e4f7c490db8a2a2ca0b...

It is an issue if I need to rewrite my scripts specifically for macOS and they are no longer cross-platform. Yeah, you can alias all utilities called g to , but you can't reasonably expect all users of your scripts to do so as well. Using macOS is PITA.

If you're using GNU extensions, then you are not writing cross-platform scripts in the first place.
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