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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by diveanon »

est wrote: post #361
diveanon wrote: post #121

A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020. What is happening to the NBA, Blizzard, and seemingly every company that has a presence in China is the tip of the iceberg. If we as a liberal free society cannot stand against the rise of oppressive totalitarianism then we are doomed to fail. Incremental profits and potential market share in a closed economy i…

> A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020. Your presidential candidate need to fix human rights issues in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Democracy installed by the US government gotta have a warranty and customer service. If the outcome of US installed human rights means tens of thousands of refugees and jihad fighters how can your model of human rights…

You can't have it both ways, we gave Iraq and Afghanistan the opportunity to elect a representative government, it is not our place to complain about the representatives they elected.

How many revolutions and dictatorships did the French have to go through until they settled on a system that works for them?

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Post by petre »

kurk wrote: post #355
danem wrote: post #58

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> it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league that's going to overtake the NBA, ever. Why not? Is it inconceivable that in the future the CBA will be able to compete with the NBA for top talent? I guarantee that down the road a future Zion Williamson will choose to play in China over New Orleans. This won't be in the near future mind you, but as the Chinese economy grows, and as basketbal…

Serious? Most of the top players in NBA are colored, they dominate this game. So Chinese may turn to football(European) instead.

Or watch table tennis which they're good at.

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Post by realusername »

xlc0212 wrote: post #332
tomohawk wrote: post #318

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Basketball is popular in China. The NBA is the premier league. It doesn't need China. If you want to see the best or play with the best, it will be the NBA. If the CCP (China Communist Party) wants to spoil the entertainment of the citizenry, that's their problem. The NBA can go right back into China whenever the winds change. On the other hand, if the NBA doesn't stand up to China, a large part of their core audienc…

This is another thing I feel uneasy about, this is just a basketball league, why does it have to force people to pick a side?

> This is another thing I feel uneasy about, this is just a basketball league, why does it have to force people to pick a side?

That question should be addressed to the Chinese government, they are the one wanting to block the league.

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Post by m0zg »

This must be especially painful for Kerr who's known for his unhinged, incessant railing against Trump, and who is now quite willingly licking the boots of Xi Jinping, the real, actual dictator. Ready and willing to be woke, but only as long as it's good for business. When there's money at stake, though, murderous dictatorships are totally fine, and nothing to rail against.

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Post by MR4D »

jmpman wrote: post #387
silexia wrote: post #369

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We should boycott the NBA.

We can do better than that. Show up at every Brooklyn Nets game, sitting behind the basket with signs which... aren’t China friendly.

“Hong Kong Lives Matter”

That should get some attention.

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Post by mistermann »

skokage wrote: post #356
mistermann wrote: post #345

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I recommend that Western people who get their facts about China from various mainstream media supplement that with subscribing to YouTube channels of Westerners who actually live there. This guy is a regular every day Canadian with a Chinese wife who's lived there on and off for 13 or so years, and he has a very unbiased opinion. This episode is about Chinese Patriotism, very thought provoking. http://youtube.com/wat…

I'm also a fan of SerpentZA, LaoWhy86, and their shared channel ADVChina. Same thing as your link, guys that have been living there for over 10 years, married to chinese women, read and speak the language, and can provide a lot of insight into not only every day life, but also the views of chinese people within mainland china.

I agree, however they have had quite a distinct change in tone recently since leaving China. Not that what they say is untrue, but it feels at least somewhat to have an "unfair" anti-China bias at this point, at least to me.

The reality is though, no singular opinion is "correct", best to consume a wide variety of opinions with an open mind, and resist forming any strong conclusions about particulars. Usually, the correct answer is "well, it depends".

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Post by pishpash »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #397
wuliwong wrote: post #258

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You are just theorizing that #2 is happening with no evidence.

NBA tried to placate China on Weibo here, > However, a statement posted in Chinese by the NBA on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblogging site, appeared different, according to translators. > “We feel greatly disappointed at Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey’s inappropriate speech, which is regrettable," the statement read. "Without a doubt, he has deeply offended many Chinese basketball fans. Morey has clarified that…

Lots of things hide behind a language barrier. The world's knowledge of China is severely distorted by the language barrier in the first place.

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Post by sexy_seedbox »

xlc0212 wrote: post #320
libertine wrote: post #120

This reminds me of a story a teacher of mine told in a Advertising class, about a retailer that put pressure on a soda maker to lower prices, or they wouldn't give them share of shelf. Well the soda maker didn't agree, so they pulled the inventory out. Weeks later the retailer came back to invite them in at the same rates. Apparently the customers weren't happy that their favorite soda wasn't available, and made sure…

I want to point it out it is not only Chinese government, but also Chinese people, the people were enjoying the NBA, are abandoning it. This actually hurts the feeling of the fans.

They're abandoning anyone and everyone who hurt their feelings because of blind/toxic nationalism. Just take a look at this Weibo poll (there are no wrong answers):

https://twitter.com/rhokilpatrick/status/1181591094473052160

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Post by pishpash »

hktruth wrote: post #393
tw04 wrote: post #20

The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

I think focusing on the NBA and China misses the bigger issue that affects everyone. What if Daryl Morey had tweeted that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman? There's no doubt he would have been fired and deplatformed faster than greased lightning... Social media is making it hard for individuals to keep their personal thoughts separate from their work. Not sure what the answer is. Everybody chill?

Right, this is not a freedom of speech issue because that has been long gone with cancel culture. This is a case of whether cancel culture applies internationally, which is difficult for an American corporation operating internationally. With Trump's decoupling and isolationism, more of these issues will come up under the guise of ideology or values, but which are not actually about these.

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Post by studentrob »

pishpash wrote: post #407
unityByFreedom wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NBA tried to placate China on Weibo here, > However, a statement posted in Chinese by the NBA on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblogging site, appeared different, according to translators. > “We feel greatly disappointed at Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey’s inappropriate speech, which is regrettable," the statement read. "Without a doubt, he has deeply offended many Chinese basketball fans. Morey has clarified that…

Lots of things hide behind a language barrier. The world's knowledge of China is severely distorted by the language barrier in the first place.

Unintentional miscommunication and duplicitous behavior are not the same thing.
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