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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Confusion »

TooBrokeToBeg wrote: post #309
srah763 wrote: post #306

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Yes this happens to not be one of those cases, espousing the virtues of selfishness isn’t up for debate anymore. It’s wrong, and has been shown to be so time and time again. To have to rehash such foolishness is pointless.

> It’s wrong ...and natural and efficient. ie Not wrong or right. I'm not sure where you get your ideas from.

Killing newborn cubs and impregnating the mother with your own is also very natural and efficient. I hope you agree it's also very wrong and that the argument from nature is an amazingly awful argument.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Confusion »

manfredo wrote: post #313
srah763 wrote: post #306

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Yes this happens to not be one of those cases, espousing the virtues of selfishness isn’t up for debate anymore. It’s wrong, and has been shown to be so time and time again. To have to rehash such foolishness is pointless.

Proclaiming that something is not up for debate and refusing to engage meaningfully is an extremely easy way to lose the debate.

Allowing yourself to be dragged into the same argument over and over again, because some people are just not listening (creationism, flat earthers, moon hoax believers, ...) is a waste of time. Publicly reminding the readers about the majority view on the situation and then letting the argument go is fine as a response.

(And yes, the majority view is that Rand is not worthy of any special attention as either a philosopher, political theorist, economist or author. Not more worthy than any other random member of those groups of people.)

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

nailer wrote: post #389
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #178

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What are you going to do next time the UK parliament passes a law you don't like? Dissolve the United Kingdom?

Campaign to overturn it - which I feel is more likely to be successful here than in EU, which is comprised of member states with a wide variety of values.

I think the variety of values within the UK is just as great as within the EU as a whole. You can never convince everyone and you don't have to.

But I also think that not speaking a common language does indeed make campaigning for any particular issue more difficult.

It's a trade-off. Not having a say in Europe doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to comply, which will become painfully obvious in the near future.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by cityhomesteader »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #358
cityhomesteader wrote: post #340

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> This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. It's very naive to think that highly intelligent people don't know or care about what they regulate. I think it is the exact opposite. They care and understand deeply. > Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the world wide web? Amazing i…

> It's very naive to think that highly intelligent people don't know or care about what they regulate. These may be highly intelligent people, but what they are highly skilled at is the art of obtaining and keeping political office. That does not necessarily say anything about their knowledge of the industries they regulate, or their ability to write regulations that are free from disastrous side effects. > Think abo…

> These may be highly intelligent people, but what they are highly skilled at is the art of obtaining and keeping political office.

Agreed. That's my point.

> That does not necessarily say anything about their knowledge of the industries they regulate, or their ability to write regulations that are free from disastrous side effects.

They had teams of people helping them understand. Do you think these experts who work for the politicians and/or the industry don't know what the side effects are? Just because the effects would be "disastrous" for you and me doesn't mean it will be disastrous for the politicians or the people who they work for.

> Maybe you could actually say something, instead of just hinting?

I thought it was obvious. And I was trying to get you to actually think.

Do you think these guys just decided one day to make changes to the rules of the internet for fun? Why do you think they are making these changes? If you can figure it out, then let me know.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by nickik »

ginko wrote: post #332
growlist wrote: post #270

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What is your view on the EU's typically hostile response to democracy when voters prove disobedient? I'm thinking for example of Ireland being forced to rerun the vote on the Nice treaty, and the ramming through of the European Constitution after French and Dutch rejection by renaming it the Lisbon Treaty.

The Lisbon treaty is NOT the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe. This is a common falsehood. The TCE would have been further reaching, establishing a directly elected president of the European Commission for instance. It's kind of funny considering how all the anti-EU people that voted against the constitution are the same people complaining about the EU's lack of democracy.

I don't think the EU would be particularly good if it were significantly more democratic. But even so, it not being democratic is hardly a point in its favor. The constitution of Europe would not have fixed most of the problems and would have introduced more of them.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by nailer »

Accacin wrote: post #396
nailer wrote: post #376

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It's completely true. While we're moving law to the UK, we then get to remove anything we don't like. And yes, the majority of people who voted wanted that.

>While we're moving law to the UK, we then get to remove anything we don't like. Fancy naming a few laws that 'we' don't like? If we want to trade and have anything to do with the EU, we're going to have to follow their laws and regulations whether we're in the EU or not.

No, because I don't know what you and the other 50 million people here want, and nobody has elected me.

Does the US follow EU laws and regulations?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by idbaat »

tripzilch wrote: post #400
HumanDrivenDev wrote: post #380

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Why? Look at all the mentions of "nazi", "fascist" and "hate-speech" in this thread. You can tell when a place leans left because this is a common left-wing conspiracy theory - that the world is full of fascists/nazis, but they're all trying to hide it. They call it 'cryptofascism'.

But cryptofascists will put you on a blocktrain.

That was my smile for today!
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