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Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

lotharbot wrote: post #371
jonnycomputer wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was being curmudgeonly. Sure, cell phones can contribute to personal safety; whether it actually does in a standing-room-only rock concert given the distribution of risks one is likely to encounter in that context is another matter. I have a hard time imagining one, except a medical emergency, maybe? Except that having people find security might truly be more expedient. Besides, I cam imagine real harm. Everyone si…

> "I have a hard time imagining one" Someone mentioned above that, in the event of a fire alarm and being separated from your group, being able to reconnect with them is important. Particularly for vulnerable people (whether due to age, health reasons, or being someone who might be targeted for violence or harassment), being separated from your group for a long time can be a safety issue.

  being able to reconnect with them is important
Wouldn't you all be meeting at the place where you reclaim your phones anyway?

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

CUViper wrote: post #246
foolfoolz wrote: post #210

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i think the whole point is not being able to check your phone adds to the human experience

Part of my human experience may include checking how the babysitter is doing with the kids. I'm not going to do that in a way that disrupts the show, but I still want that access.

  checking how the babysitter is doing with the kids
...in which case you would simply walk out to the lobby and tap the case on any unlocking base.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

scoggs wrote: post #394
blattimwind wrote: post #359

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Uhm, yes you are, and pretty clearly at that.

No, not really. If someone goes out for drinks, then dinner, then a show and the night is going really well maybe the parents want to call and check in. They want to see how the nights going for the babysitter and kid. Are the kids asleep? Is the babysitter content to make some more money for a few extra hours? I think that's all entirely reasonable. It really has little to do with the matter at hand but having to wa…

"...having to wait in a line to submit or retrieve your phone, be sequestered to a penned in area to use your phone, and then to have to wait in line again to put your phone back into that "prison" system again..."

The vast majority of the time consumed in that process is simply getting out from where you sit/stand and back, which is the same in the "unjailed" phone scenario.

Unless, of course, you were just going to go ahead and conduct that call right there in the venue anyway.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by 2bitencryption »

musage wrote: post #398
ccallebs wrote: post #333

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> It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. No one questioned the babysitter's competence. They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going.

> They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going. If you think that's "obvious", then explain why. Because as you put it, it's just false, not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either. For one because the competence of a babysitter includes handling emergencies, making the practical use of randomly "checking in" (from some remote location) moot, but wh…

> not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either.

I see we're dealing with a tough kid here

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

dragonwriter wrote: post #317
dblohm7 wrote: post #278

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Is that really necessary? Our parents didn't have that luxury, and we turned out fine...

> Our parents didn't have that luxury Yes, they did; before ubiquitous cellphones killed demand for them, basically every public place of any size (and many small ones, and even just public streets ) had banks of payphones, and for many kinds of outings people would leave the phone number of the restaurant or other establishment that they were going to for emergency contact in the other direction. The last generation…

But again, with Yondr, you simply go out to any unlocking base. It's even easier/fast/ercheaper than the payphone example.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by gsich »

ccallebs wrote: post #333
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #320

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It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. Most times when babysitters are hired, now or a generation ago, they're trusted to make reasonable decisions so the parents don't have to worry.

> It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. No one questioned the babysitter's competence. They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going.

You do by phoning home without reason.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

narrator wrote: post #387
davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

How did the world even work before cell phones? Meeting your friends: You made plans to meet at a certain time and place and you showed up when you were supposed to or you carpooled. In an Emergency: you'll find out what happened to your friends eventually when you meet at school or call each other then next day. You aren't emergency service personnel. You just need to evacuate. Going to the bathroom: you go to the b…

  How did the world even work before cell phones?
A lot of Seinfeld story arcs involve miscommunication that would not happen if they all had cellphones.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

dannyw wrote: post #364
jknz wrote: post #363

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A simple zero-hassle solutions is to have walls that block any cellular and wifi signals. It solves the problems you mention. I don't know why such walls are not more common in schools too. A lot of parents would be happy to pay for such walls if the learning experience improves substantially. Edit: about the emergency and possible bomber attack: if the block-signal-mecanism is active (create some sort of interferenc…

Jamming legal signals, even in private property, is very very illegal.

Jamming, yes.

If your venue just happens to block all signals as an effect of its design (working like a Faraday cage), it could legally have repeaters that are powered off during the performance proper.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by DrScump »

Zimahl wrote: post #356
bonesss wrote: post #156

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Why do people drop buttloads of money getting to the Grand Canyon and then spend their time behind a viewfinder taking landscape pictures that are infinitely worse than you'll find online or purchased from pros, ensuring they spend less (and sometimes no), time enjoying the scenery and environment?

I don't think still photos are the problem, it's when people take photos or videos of something and miss a moment. An example is at a football game where the a team is imminently going to score. Up come the phones. Especially if the game is being shown on TV and you can watch the highlight over and over and over, why not just enjoy the moment? Same with concerts, just enjoy the music and show, your video is completel…

  it's when people take photos or videos of something and miss a moment
This. I seriously regret the time I wasted trying to photograph the eclipse and treasure the seconds I simply viewed it.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by phaus »

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

I went to a concert in Mannheim about 8 years ago. They had quite a few fairly reasonable rules, but they also had security guards to enforce them. If you broke any of the rules and refused to get your shit together they would pick your ass up and carry you out. You wouldn't even get a chance to leave. I think good security and enforcement of the rules would be a better solution than taking peoples' phones.
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