The HR person should at least understand the very basic technical terms, a.k.a, what it is and how are they related.
I know HR/headhunters who think Hadoop/AWS are programming languages.
Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is why you need to see this is an inane game, and just "beat it" and move on. Recruiter: We're looking for someone to fix the pipes. (re-word their statement/question in your answer so there can be NO ambiguity) You: I have lots of experience fixing many kinds of pipes, (including the EXACT SPECIFIC kind you asked for - WORD FOR WORD .) (Notes on your replies, they didn't ask if you are a qualified plumber, the…
Alternatively, don't fucking apply to this kind of company. They have BILLIONS of dollars in the bank (let that sink in for a moment) and the technical recruiters are paid well anyway, there is absolutely no reason for them to not give at least a timid shit about the quality of the people who are the first line of interaction with potential employees. I interviewed at Google 3 times and I'm currently going through th…
I was also thinking along the same lines for unpaid internships.
Companies have billions in the bank, make tens of billions profit each year, and have "staff" working who they don't pay a cent to.
The fact there are no laws against that is evil.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#403Hey folks, I'm the student writing the emails in the post here. Thanks to everyone for their criticisms. While I was initially kind of shocked by the recruiter's response, I've had a lot of time to think about it today and have realized that I was being pretty damn condescending and spoke out of line without regards to the context. It's been a hard lesson learned. I honestly regret the whole exchange, and posting it…
Since you are soliciting feedback, I think you can do better than Facebook. You have taken the time at university to learn about the origins of "UNIX" and about portability, but it seems clear to me you do not need to know about these things for this Facebook internship. If you want this knowledge to be acknowledged and valued, if you want to put it into practice, then perhaps Facebook is not the proper place for thi…
Lol open source contributor. Yeah nice and all but where's the money in that? The guy just fouled up a potential career track to half a mil engineering salaries but hey I'm sure the satisfaction from some open source work will be just as good! ;-)
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
The recruiter's response isn't irrational. Very clear instructions are being given: put UNIX and Linux on your resume . Not tell me via e-mail. Then candidate goes ahead and 'educates' the recruiter, and puts something other than UNIX (UNIX-like) on the resume. i.e., does not follow instructions. Clear no hire.
> Clear no hire. You'd rather higher a liar and someone that will follow instructions to the letter, even when they're incorrect? It sounds like you'd hire this useless recruiter.
What? I don't care who gets hired. But when hiring at scale, if a candidate can't follow instructions, they don't get hired. It's a basic filter that is necessary when that many people are being considered.
How many tens of thousands of university kids go through the hiring pipeline at Facebook each semester?
When you are doing things at that scale, you need well-defined processes. The process here was we need you to put exactly what this position requires on your resume, probably because the resume needed to be OKd by some keyword-checking system.
The candidate either was incapable of or refused to follow the process. Therefore, no hire.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#405Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#406Hey folks, I'm the student writing the emails in the post here. Thanks to everyone for their criticisms. While I was initially kind of shocked by the recruiter's response, I've had a lot of time to think about it today and have realized that I was being pretty damn condescending and spoke out of line without regards to the context. It's been a hard lesson learned. I honestly regret the whole exchange, and posting it…
You don’t deserve the criticism in my opinion. Recruiters serve a necessary function, and knowing a good recruiter can be a great help. That being said, engineers drive the bus. Recruiters aren’t subject matter experts and shouldn’t pretend to be. This is a simple question that could and should have been kicked up to an actual engineer.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#407Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good one! Sounds like a Monty python skit! I would add that in this case they wanted someone with 'clay' pipes experience. He only had 'regular' pipes knowledge.
The thing is, in your context, materials do matter; there are enourmous differences between material x and y, eg. a metal pipe and a plastic pipe. Different structural capabilities, different resistance towards chemicals, etc., so if you do need clay pipes experience, because of the very special material that is about to flow in it, or due to structural/pressure/etc specialities, you may actually be in the need of so…
You must be the life of the party in every social gathering! I understand what you mean, my example was not very good...
This guy has a better analogy (and funnier) then mine:
http://www.jasonbock.net/jb/News/Item/7c334037d1a9437d9fa650...
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#409Just send the recruiter to the Linux Wikipedia article and have them read the first line:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do remember that we are talking about internships here. If I have a task for an intern that requires some shell-scripting, and the intern already understands what it means to pipe commands, I put my hands together in silent thanks.
> If I have a task for an intern that requires some shell-scripting, and the intern already understands what it means to pipe commands, I put my hands together in silent thanks. I thought we were talking about university students studying CS or related discipline? How on earth would a uni student in CS don't know about piping commands? Does this actually happen? I dropped out of uni after 1,5 years, and I studied bio…
It highly depends on where and what exactly you study, but in many cases you've probably been explained shell basics once and can get by with knowledge how to to copy-paste commands to install packages and basic git usage.
Of course, many students are interested in more and learn it, but isn't a requirement, so students with other interests have no real need for it.